linsky Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 Apart from the pose value of having a red button to start instead of turning a key, is it worth it, especially for someone who will only do occasional track days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Corb Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 Definetly worth £8.09+vat!! (from Farnell that is). See other posts on exactly how to fit it yourself. Going to do mine right now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 Here is the instructions for wiring the starter button Have fun dave Edited by - site manager on 9 Jan 2003 19:42:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS CLARK Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 Yes, fit one. Very satisfying turning on the ignition (I still use the key for this) and then pushing that button!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FH Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 I've got a big red button now too teeth.gif.... very strategically placed wink.gif After saying bye bye to my other car, it was one of the things I missed most....(that, and the power) blush.gif Chris, thanks to Suzy7 for her wee missive. Glad she's on the mend thumbsup.gif FH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary-Cornwall Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 Don't forget the "feel good factor" when you start it with the button. Mine cost nothing courtesy of a button identical to the horn found at a local scrap yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hammond Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 So what does a big red starter button do for security, immobiliser etc ? Do you still have to use the key for the ignition (as per Chris) ? I've seen a Se7en started from outside the car with a remote...now that is cool! L17 KAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FH Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Hmmmmm Ray. It's illegal (on the public road) to have an engine running without someone being in control of said vehicle wink.gif FH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hammond Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Fullharness, Interesting, you learn something every day. For the record, the said owner did start it up in a pub car park. L17 KAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Fullharness , How do the Police get away with their turbo timers on the Volvo T5's then ??? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FH Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 I don't know blush.gif But I'll ask a man who does tomorrow wink.gif FH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hammond Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Given that my question did not get a response can I ask again, what does this starter button do for the car security ? L17 KAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTrilby Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Given it's not exactly hard to take the bonnet off and gain direct access to the starter motor, having a starter button is not much of a security risk. The immobiliser will prevent the car being started. That said, you might want to have a battery cut out switch if you don't have one to prevent toerags from easily operating the starter with the car in gear whilst parked. Might save a nosecone or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhill Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Ray, I would have though having the starter button makes no difference to security, if it simply replaces the final twist of the key. With my Caterham fitted button, pressing it does nothing without first turning on the ignition, which requires the key, and plipping the immobiliser. I did look at a car that had no key at all, just a switch on the dash with three positions - off, on, and spring loaded start. It did have an immobiliser too, but I think this compromised security, especially if the imobiliser wasn't of the self armning type. Also, it would be too easy the leave the immobiliser and petrol cap key on the counter in a petrol station, or at home, and drive off. Safest place is in the ignition. It is useful as well as being a nice touch. If you stall on the road or spin on the track, you need to get moving asap. With gloves on and adrenaline pumping if you've just spun, the key can seem a long way away. Cheers, Jon Edited by - jonhill on 24 Aug 2001 12:16:17 Edited by - jonhill on 24 Aug 2001 12:16:52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony isherwood Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 For the paranoid amoung us, the starter button is a good way to turn the engine over, bring the oil up to the cams, before turning on the ignition. (It also, is a form of amusment as the uniformed tend to think that "that silly little car " is broken and woun't start) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hammond Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Jon, I agree. Key plus starter button seems ideal option. Thanks for clarifying that...it was the "instead of turning a key" that worried me. L17 KAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FH Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Big Red id=red> starter buttons are pretty wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Walker Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Bob, is that Farnnel starter button the same as the Caterham one? Do you by chance have the part number? Many thanks Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Carmichael Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 The nose load on a cam is very high at low rpm. Cranking revs are probably the worst for wear on the cam lobes. This is why a lot of performance cams require the idle to be set higher. The cam/follower interface is lubricated by splash so I can't see it being any different from starting the thing straight away and bringing it to an elevated idle. The only justification for the starter button is for if you can't reach the key easily with a harness on and you are prone to stalling. My Neanderthal dimensions mean I can reach the key easily enough. I know I am sailing against the tide on this one, but I just don't get it. Unless you take the key mechanism out of the car in order to replace it with the starter button you are adding complexity. Very much not "Seven". thumbsdown.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Farnell Part No 109-282 Description 76-9410/439088R : Switch, flush red Cost £8.09 + the dreaded Min order is £10.00 Order of the net @ www.farnell.com (Just fitted mine, its not for posing...its for fun!) Steve cool.gifScream...if you want to go faster!!!id=limegreen> cool.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul McKenzie Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Sorry, but I'm a bit confused - I'll be OK when I've had the first weekend drink. Has anyone installed the button with a Vecta immobiliser? Do you wire it as Dave J described? In this case does the starter only work when the key has been turned? Thanks, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elie boone Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Paul, White & red is the wire for the startermotor but take the power from the white wire, so that there is no power on the button when the key is not at the ign. position. If you take the power from the brown wire you can crank the engine at all times witch is not a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul McKenzie Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Thanks Elie, Your explanation plus the first drink (or two) has got it sorted. A good weekend blast to all. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elie boone Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Cheers Paul, if have some excellent beers in the cellar so some day, if you are in Belgium you are always welkom to have some. (or any other Seven driver ) tongue.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul McKenzie Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 Thanks for the invite Elie - I hadn't realised you were Belgian - actually I lived in Overijse for 12 years before sadly returning to this country 6 years ago - I may well take up your offer on a future trip over Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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