Mr Happy Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 "after much revving and grinning - he lept out of the car to tell my Roger King all steel 1800 xflow with new Antonio(?) head was kicking out 193.2BHP at 7300 rpm - "a mighty engine" he said" Lucky the sprint regs has this in them: Cars which have technical modifications deemed by the Championship co-ordinator not to meet the basic spirit of the technical regulations will be allocated to the most appropriate class. TM Just asking, what others are thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Not that it changes my opinion, but who's car? For my money anything making that sort of power should not be in class 3 as it is outside of the spirit of things. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Steve I also saw this here impresive David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Perry Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Ah, but crossflows are heavy 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Its just the same in that a 160 bhp R300 and has to run in class 4 or 5 against 240 + bhp cars . The regs permit it so its allowed in class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 I'm not sure it is the same though Dave as part of the idea of class 2 and 3 is that it should be possible to compete in them (and be competitive) in cars that are not at all or only slightly modified from standard. As far as I understand it the idea of adding in the "spirit of the class" idea is so that things can be kept on at least a resonable level playing field. If people want to spend heaviliy for top performance then classes 4 and 5 accomodate that. This strikes me as a creeping thing as once you allow cars with 193 BHP in 2 or 3 (although do we know if the owner is even planning on sprinting?)then the pressure builds for everyone to spend more and then suddenyl you have no cheap(ish) classes for people with standard cars to enter and at least be close to the pace of the top cars. The R300 is a difficult anomaly in all this as it is arguably too quick for 2/3 and not quick enough for 4/5. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 I thought the Origanal SLR only had 190 bhp? David SL #146 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 re the R300 , a VVC k series could go in class 2 or three then with 160 bhp ? where does the slr's 190bhp come into this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Richard Price Posted March 26, 2006 Area Representative Share Posted March 26, 2006 The following modifications are PROHIBITED to Rover K series 1800cc engines: Any porting of the K16 cylinder head or the use of VVC or VHPD cylinder heads, reprogrammable ECUs eg Emerald, VVC plenum chambers and a throttle body greater than 52mm. Since a VVC powered R300 has a VVC head casting, its not allowed in class 2 or 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 realy no VVC's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil.cavanagh Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 yep... class 2/3 is pretty biased against K-series. The most you can run is a 140bhp x-power or 1600 with mild tweaks to give about 140bhp. Yet 180+bhp x-flows are allowed... the 'spirit' wording is therefore needed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver 21 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Neil You are missing the point completed, how can Class 2 & 3 be biased against K series when the 98% of the cars that compete in the class are K series. These classses were designed for 'virtually standard' cars hence the peg at 140bhp, we've done the class structure to death and Xflows sit in Class 2/3 as they have a distinct weight/torque and speed disadvantage over the K's and they are only single cam. Graham Lotus 7 Club General Secretary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikes Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Exactly Graham - so what you are saying is that it takes exceptional skill and courage to even compete with a xflow, let alone actually beat any of the 98% that are 'K's. What can I say - except agree 😬 😬 Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 just remember 7 of the 10 class records for class 3 are running 1800 K's the only places to retain records for xflows are 1. aintree, this is a place where big power is a majo advantage 2. MIRA, which again is biased towards power , and the holder is a very expereinced sprinter 3. lydden, which we don't go to anymore and was the holders local circuit nothing for 1600 k's BTW so if anything we should be looking at the 1800 k's and restricting them 😬 especially blue ones also remember that the engine in question has not had the most relaible history in either its or its previous owners hands... My MSN Space and Blog - Syndicate Using RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Rob if we look at the records in a diffrent way I think you will find that 7 in the colour Yellow or similer are the class record holders so all yellow/orange 7 should be slowed down 😬 David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Also 1.6 k's are now aloud to have trick heads which will give them masses of extra bhp/lbs. 😬 David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 do i sense a tad of sour grapes on the colour 'trick' as you call it heads where allowed previously, just us gentleman 1600 comepetitors thought it was not in the spirit, until we found out about the huge advantange that the 1800's had 😬 just remember you nasty 1800 boys used to have to be in class 4&5 and again the gentlman 1600 competitors allowed you into class 2 & 3 😬 My MSN Space and Blog - Syndicate Using RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver 21 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 David Get back in your box 😬 😬 😬 😬 😬 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 So overall conclusion given the fighting now raging has surely got to be to move all powerful X-flows, 1800 K's and 1600's with cheating head work up to class 4 and 5 then 😬 That will just leave us honest gentlemen with our standard cars to compete in line with the original plans for class 2 and 3 😬 Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 nope - just go back to the arbitary 1700cc rule of before 😬 My MSN Space and Blog - Syndicate Using RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 except for yellow ones 😬 you are all welcome in class 4 & 5 what we need is a pool of cars and we all swop after each run and the fastest car wins not the driver 😬 here is C7 TOP Powered by Special K, Tweeked by this lunatic here South Wales AO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Perry Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I don't expect to see a crossflow win any sprint this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I agree Graham - as long as this one with 193 BHP doesn't turn up to play. Much as I rate the driving of a lot of the front running K series boys, I don't think they can overcome a 40 BHP plus advantage, even with the other limitations of the X-flow. As I doubt i'll be a contender in the championship it doesn't worry me overly, but the playing field should be at least reasonably level. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 But why should there be concern over 40 bhp ?. There are larger variances in power in other classes than 40bhp Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I would expect dave McFarlane in his xflow to be there or there abouts especially at places like aintree, longcross and MIRA and others...where he can really stretch his legs of his xflow but of course he has suffered grealty in the past for having a big power car in terms of reliability.... I think we have a good set of reg's and there is the 'spirit' line this year so don't really think there is a problem... and I don't personally have a problem (anymore) with the big power xflows or lotus twinks (if any turn up), the bar was really raised in class 3 last year by Paul Dickens and he is now the benchmark...2 years ago no one would have thought a class 3 car was capable of a sub 60s at curbugger and if it was going to be broken it would have been likely to have fallen to a big hp xflow or lotus twink, but it went to a 'standard' 1800K My MSN Space and Blog - Syndicate Using RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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