CageyH Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 If it was your choice, what would you do? Caterham widetrack, or freestyle push rod Widetrack. I am tempted by the clean look of the pushrod, but wondered how much advantage the push rod would be over a conventional set up. I am also tempted by the feedback from freestyle users with respect to use on less than perfect roads, where the car feels more planted. I have a bonus burning a hole in my pocket... Main use is road, with occasional track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickh7 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Freestyle I've not got the pushrod but the cars is great on the terible roads in South Yorks very planted and feels so much much better. Nick h Its Yellow and Black and makes me 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racingshoe Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Cagey, I was tempted by normal widetrack and freestyle dampers & ARB, but now i'm thinking of Nitrons & widetrack & freestyle ARB...... are you as confused as I am Rik Robarts - bl**dy bright orange 1900k here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CageyH Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 I think I must be. Freestyle push rod is more expensive than the caterham widetrack kit (by about the amount of a dry sump & pump). Is it really going to give me much more benefit? Edited by - CageyH on 7 Mar 2006 21:13:47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 have a drive of mine if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racingshoe Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Oh go on then 😬 I know you have a freestyle ARB and widetrack Dave. What dampers are you using ? Rik Robarts - bl**dy bright orange 1900k here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nitron I'm not sure what advantage you will get from inboard unless you are 99% "on it" with optimum dampers on track Dave Edited by - Dave Jackson on 8 Mar 2006 09:23:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CageyH Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 It looks cool? Less drag? Less money in the bank? So, it looks like it may be Caterham widetrack with either Orange, or next size up ARB then. Possibly 250 lb front springs, and 150 rears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seymore butts Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 With all due respect, that is rubbish Seymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Freestyle pushrod It's worth it for pub talk alone 😬 When I ordered my new car, I decided to go for the full Freestyle suspension at the time and once Gary had set it all up, the car felt very confidence inspiring. A definite for Gary & Freestyle. Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S. Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 ''With all due respect, that is rubbish'' What's rubbish Seymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CageyH Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 It does look cool, in my opinion. It does give less drag, as there is less in the air flow. You may not notice the difference though. And it will cost more, so I will have less money in the bank. Why were my statements rubbish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seymore butts Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 "I'm not sure what advantage you will get from inboard unless you are 99% "on it" with optimum dampers on track" (See Brent's posting) Seymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 you mean its worth it for the pub talk 🤔 or performance gain in everyday driving Edited by - Dave Jackson on 8 Mar 2006 10:57:14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Would a Freestyle push rod Widetrack cope with a 1997 chassis ? Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CageyH Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 Pierre, The answer is yes. Mine is a '97 chassis. I have not had it fitted yet, but I have been told it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgrigsby Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 96- I think, ie my 92 chasis won't work ☹️ (without some "MAJOR" surgery) Rob G www.SpeedySeven.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S. Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Well if you're using the set up in for sprinting I think it goes against the spirit of the regs as the set up is nothing like the original and should be banned in all except class 6............(swiftly runs for cover 😬) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Cagey thanks, that's good news. Cheers, Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal mickey Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 'nothing like original' 😬 hehehe.Show me a winning sprint car that is 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CageyH Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Dave, Would I be right in thinking that the Nitron set up will cost about as much as the Freeestyle push rod? Bearing in mind I have to get the widetrack kit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Team Shaun_E Posted March 9, 2006 Support Team Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nitron one way adjustable dampers and springs to suit will set you back just under £1200 according to their web site prices. Somewhat foolishly I didn't actually check when I ordered mine (arrive soon 😬) so may be in for a surprise 😳. Yellow SL #32 Edited by - Shaun_E on 9 Mar 2006 08:08:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I have the Freestyle pushrod on my R400, it's a great set-up and does make a big difference on the bumpy B-roads On track my car appears to be faster around the slower corners than the standard R400 set up (mate has standard set-up and we have followed each other around, Oulton, cadwell, etc) although I've had my dampers on road setting's. on the faster corners there is little difference - but maybe I'm not pushing hard enough? R400 .......... I love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 With respect to improving the ride..... Is it that the freestyle dampers are good or that the drop in unsprung rate helps the ride? Bearing in mind that the drop in unsprung weight is a fraction of the weight of the damper/spring, I would have thought that most of the benefit came from the dampers that freestyle use, rather than the pushrod system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Team Shaun_E Posted March 9, 2006 Support Team Share Posted March 9, 2006 From what I have read, the improvement in theory should come from the fact that more of the damper travel is used in the inboard set up or it allows a longer damper stroke and therefore uses the full abilities of the damper. I have also read that the setup results in a rising rate - not sure exactly what that means but have always understood it to be "a good thing" as the further into the travel, the "stiffer" the suspension gets. I guess a standard set up with quality dampers that are designed to meet the desired responses and have a rising rate will be very nearly as good as the pushrod setup. I'm no expert but this is all my understanding - I wait to be corrected. Edited to say that the unsprung weight can be massively improved with lighter wheels and tyres. I have just switched from Minators with A048Rs to Caterham 8 spokes with CR500s and the ride has improved massively and the bumpy B-road performance has also improved hugely. Yellow SL #32 Edited by - Shaun_E on 9 Mar 2006 10:31:57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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