Jason Plato Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 details of Frankies bulk buy is here EDIT 2 march - I just spoke to Pipercross technical and they also confirmed that the air box is only avaiable in 78mm depth - this must have been a misunderstanding of mine on the stand at the show with the airbox on display,in that they meant it has a 100mm inlet and not the 100mm internal depth ☹️ . Sorry Original message : I went to the Hisoric motorsport show on Sunday and Pipercross had on the stand an airbox suitable for the R3/4/500 with 100mm internal depth , making it suitable for the Caterham fitment . Previously the box has only been available in 70mm depth. I was impressed withe the quality of consruction - it was made from a moulded textured plastic rather than glass fibre and had a very neat integral 100mm pipercross filter built onto the intake of the airbox, the fasteners were located on the exterior of the box - just like yur current filter. So all you need to add would be the length of hose for a cold air feed somewhere under your nose. It also used a base plate the same as the R3/4/500 (PX600 type ) so it would be a quick swop over. The price quoted was a cracking £165 + vat ! pictures are here and here but I guess more details could be sought from Pipercross Dave Edited by - Dave Jackson on 1 Mar 2006 11:40:05 Edited by - Dave Jackson on 2 Mar 2006 10:48:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyknuckles Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Sounds ideall for the odd track day where noise is an issue. Would you necessarily need to add a hose if there is already a built in filter? www.R300.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 The only reason I would add a hose would be to draw cold air rather than the warm air directly behind the radiator (every 10C lower air temp = about +3% power ) You could point the cold air duct in the opposite direction to travel so that you dont suck up all the debris off the road / track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyknuckles Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 The DT website does not list the 100mm intake version? So we will need some Donkydick then Dave 😬 www.R300.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannylt Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Apparently another reason for hose is to reduce the noise further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 DT's probably dont list it as its a new line A length of 102mm donkey Dick would be ideal - these folk here do it cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Oliver Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Pictures are of the 78mm deep box 600 series box announced a few months ago, is this different ? That one was OK for ram pipes up to 45mm deep. The 100mm intake one is still only 78mm deep. Pukka Tossa Edited by - Jamie Oliver on 28 Feb 2006 12:22:37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris__ Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Good spot Dave - any idea whether this would fit the swan neck TB's baseplate? (longshot!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Day Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Backplate looks similar to the ITG version; any idea if the ITG & Piper backplate are the same size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 Yes - the pisc are of the 78 mm deep version - the 100mm deep is a new line . Call Pipercross for more details I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 The Pipercross filter mounts on the backplate differently to the ITG so you wouldnt be able to use the same backplate. the dimensions for a ITG JC50 backplate are here You will have to call Pipercross or search the net to get the dimension of the PX600 backplate . pipercross sell blank PX600 backplates so making one up to be suitable for the swan necks shouldnt be much of a problem Edited by - Dave Jackson on 28 Feb 2006 13:18:23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Day Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Thanks Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruff seven Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I thought cc made one, for the r3,4,5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers1 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Get the Pipercross part number. Get Halfords vouchers saving 10% Order the part via Halfords 😬 Plus if you buy at present they are giving £10 vouchers for sales over £50.00 I went through the checkout 3 times last weekend with some tools and a very helpful if not gulable youg assistant. £30.oo better off 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 I thought cc made one, for the r3,4,5s yes at about £600 in fancy carbon the price of this is very good . now all I need is some rollers to mount it on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyknuckles Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Just spoken with Pipercross, they confirm that the existing back plate on the R3/4/500 is OK for this box. Like DJ has mentioned, all would be required is a length of ducting to feed the cold air from low down in the engine bay. The man I spoke to said that the integral filter is rated for at least 200bhp. www.R300.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Dave, Any idea if this would fit a K with Jenvey's? I know Bernard is making a new version for use with 90mm tumpets and a larger 85mm filter neck but this is well under that price......... also with it clear the standard fuel rail / injectors or will I need to 'invest' (read more dosh!)in the Pico versions? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 we need a code for this and a guinie pig to try it out R400 .......... I love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenson Button Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 ...followed by a bulk buy... 😬 (that wasn't me volunteering btw as I don't even need one (yet!) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Q1: Even the "thinner" Pipercross moulded front was quite square/angular at the bottom left where it's in danger of fouling the tie-bar which protrudes from near the pedalbox. It's already a bu**er getting my ITG fitler on around this and it's far more curved. Are there any drawings so fit could be be checked before purchase? Q2: I believe the original design had two intake size options. A 70mm (?) and a 100mm dia. Does the new one have this option too? It's a nice piece of kit if it can be made ot fit! It's not pink, it's medium red violet...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 What "tie bar" 🤔 have an ITG on a JC50 backplate and its OK for clearance everywhere . As an earlier post by Franky confirmed , this airbox uses the same backplate as the R3/4/500 so its should be a direct replacement. if you have any other questions - its probably best to speak to Pipercross on specifics and dimensions. Or buy one, try it, and return it oif it doesnt fit 🤔 here is C7 TOP Powered by Special K, Tweeked by this lunatic here South Wales AO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyknuckles Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Noddy, the code is C6100 RH Airbox with right hand entry*, 100mm intake pipe, with integral filter (the page that DJ refers to in his first post has all the different options, but note that C6100 RH has a typo, it says left hand entry when clearly it should say right hand). www.R300.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Maybe I used the wrong terminology, but I have a pair of "tiebars" or "braces" that come from the transverse chassis member just forward of where the battery sits on the N/S and by the pedal box on the O/S. These go forward and pick up on a transverse member just in front of the engine. A pretty standard detail isn't it The O/S brace runs close to the filter but the mesh inside has been pressed back slightly for it to clear. Anything projecting perpendicular from the backplate at this point would likely foul the brace. I'm going to start the season with repacked silencer and some of the lightweight "Noisekiller" soundproofing inside the bonnet. When I get my diff back I'll get the noise police at Castle Combe to give it a sound check. It's not pink, it's medium red violet...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 what engine is it Griff ? normal procedure is to mount the backplate on the ends of the trumpets (on a k series) to avoid clashing with the chassis cross member you speak of . The 100mm deep airbox would also have to mounted on the ends of the 90mm trumptes to avoid this chassis cross member I guess. The R3/4/500 series have the backplate in a different position on the end of the roller barrels , this allows plently of clearance with the Pipewrcross Px600 baclkplate as standard fitment on these models here is C7 TOP Powered by Special K, Tweeked by this lunatic here South Wales AO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyknuckles Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 OK, hot news I have spoken with Burton Power from Ilford who are a Piercross dealer. They are offering Bulk Buy prices as follows 5 to 10 orders £149 (incl VAT) more than 10 orders £139 (incl VAT) This is for C6100 RH Airbox with right hand entry*, 100mm intake pipe, with integral filter Who would be up for this bulk buy? (should I start another thread?) www.R300.net Edited by - frankyknuckles on 1 Mar 2006 10:15:52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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