Jason Plato Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 So what you got planned ? I'm not doing anything apart from a overhaul of the diff and little check over the engine and maybe a little tweek on the top end. Emerald booked for Feb 4th for a check up and then Llandow booked for pre season Shakedown Saturday March 25th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 just a little visit to MK 😬 rob My MSN Space and Blog - Syndicate Using RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Replacing the current car for something a little lighter with a tad more power Mark D Su77on Se7ens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Let's see how the business goes and i'll then decide in the new year. At least a swap of the dampers to freestyle ones and some fresh ACB10's. Pressure is on in class 3 to get to Dave Andrews obviously, otherwise i'll be down on power ☹️ Rob - what was the waiting time to get booked in woth DVA? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 well I dropped the hea doff in mid august with the plan that I would take the engine up in october, but it is still in the car due to felix arriving earlier than planned haven't been in touch with Oily as to when he needs the engine, but I am in no rush I suggest you get in the queue ASAP .. rob My MSN Space and Blog - Syndicate Using RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Would love to... but am biding me time to try to avoid a(nother) speedy divorce If you are popping up to MK then feel free to swing by for a coffee, we are only 30 minutes away. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 OK - when I get around to it I will let you know if you need a spare head to put in the queue let me know rob My MSN Space and Blog - Syndicate Using RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 so what mods are now permitted in class 3 🤔 or am I just falling for the bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 well it all depends on what size of K you have from what I understand, the only thing you can do with an 1800, is forged pistons, verniers, and move to metal 48mm tb 1600's must run on standard ecu and use the original plenum,so that means bigger TB, head work, verniers, forged pistons of cours ICBWIOA if you have a xflow - unlimited mods allowed 😬 rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 so a 175 bhp 1600K on plen & modded mems & fuel reg is the key then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I think the mems cannot be modded otherwise you might as well allow prog ecu's how you control that is another matter I suspect will be discussed more in november rob My MSN Space and Blog - Syndicate Using RSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Cumming Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 So that means we need 175 brake to be fully competitive in class 2 or 3 So I have some work to do???? *eek* Screen is definitely coming off only managed 108 at Aintree against Mark/Rich et al 115.Thats too much ☹️ ☹️ Then of course it is tyres????? Which will presumably depend on what we all discuss in November........clearly if I am to better 5th I have to get busy. Now which bank account can I raid *confused* *confused* Roger7C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 see here 3rd picture down ....... 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSL Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 So give us a clue what sort of power you guys in class 3 are packing at the moment in both 1600 & 1800 k guise 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Perry Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Isn't that just a little presumptuous of Hellier re what the 2006 rules will be or did they do that engine for last season ? Roger 160hp should see a K up there being competative and perhaps 10hp more for a crossflow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 the class 2/3 engine was done last year to 176 bhp .Its very similar to a group A rally car engine . Its only done to the same spec as others are running or already planning 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 In 05 most of the quick boys in class 3 were still pretty much standard outputs. IMO a gentlemans agreement to not spend big wedge for 06 would be a top idea. Otherwise we all end up parting with over a grand to maintain the status quo between the 1600's. I guess it will at least relegate David and Paul to 4th and 5th in their "little" 1800's though Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Steve *confused* David waiting for the 1598 (1.6K) excuses why 1.8 are still quicker. Edited by - David Nelson on 28 Oct 2005 13:59:47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 its 1598 😬 😬 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Dave - is the hellier engine on standard superpsort mems? reckon last year I was running 135 ish bhp, next year hope to be nearer 145 and e on equal footing with thos big nasty 1800's WRT to class3 2 years ago - Dave McFarlane won and set class records everywher with his big bhp xflow, but he did suffer numerous technical problems due to the state of tune, not only tot he engione but rest of drive train this year Paul Dickens and David Nelson - reset the bar and nearly every class record in 1800 un modded K's Roger - so IMO you shoud have a competive engine if it is a K and around 145 bhp then of course you need the tyres and knoweldge/skill to out into into practice DannyBoy in class 2 (similar engine requirements) proved a newbie can come and be near the front with a largely standard car rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I turn my back for 5 minutes and the 1.6K versus 1.8K arguement rears its head once again. This is up for discussion at the Tech Forum on 20th November with only small minimal costs changes being recommended for Classes 2 & 3 so that standard cars remain competitive. Anyone wishing to purchase the Hellier 176bhp engine should be aware that should these recommendations be approved they will end up in Classes 4 & 5. Off to the pub now so you can carry on with your debate Mark D Su77on Se7ens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 😳 no mods in class 2/3 for 1600 or 1800 ......... you best get your cylinder head back from MK then Rob class 5 is going to be busy next year then *eek* 😬 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Rob - yes the engine is on unopened supersported Mems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I still reckon you can be competitive in a standard car, let alone one with 145 BHP. What I learnt from others this year is how differently people approach sprinting. In particular David's attention to detail and amount of thought on set-up at Curborough made me think that even with the same spec car I would not beat him. I'm convinced that someone with good mechanical knowledge who puts time into playing with and thinking about their set-up will always beat me as I tend to just bung the thing on a trailer and turn up to the next event and see what happens. Instead of throwing money at my engine I suspect I would actually gain more from driver training and learning something about how to set a car up properly. I still don't understand what my suspension does and what difference playing with it will make. Leave class 2 & 3 as they are I say - it's close, competitive and friendly at present, why dabble with it. steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Steve This here is a good easy to read book which covers suspension applicable to our cars. It will give you a good grounding on what tweeks do without getting too deep and heavy Dave C7 TOP Powered by Hellier Performance 😬 South Wales AO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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