Tony J Posted November 27, 2001 Share Posted November 27, 2001 Would anybody know at what points the front track is measured eg. Standard = 1270mm & Wide = 1336mm. Is there an easy way to tell if a 7 has standard or wide track with out a comparison Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted November 27, 2001 Share Posted November 27, 2001 If it's on OE Bilstein shock absorbers, look to see if there is a metal extension, approx 1" long on the coil end of the damper. If so, then it's probably a wide track. Steering arms can be extended or have longer arms so that doesn't help. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhill Posted November 27, 2001 Share Posted November 27, 2001 Some people remove this spacer to give more travel before hitting the bump stop. This practice is not all that common, but the spacer might not be present even on WT. Another clue would be flared wings. With flared wings, the tyres would protrude from under the wing with WT, so it isn't an option on flared wing cars. All steering racks are now black, but in the past different racks were different colours. There isn't a WT version of the 22% rack, so that will have extensions, but the 8% rack comes in normal and WT guises. If it does have extensions it'll be due to WT whatever (a 22% rack or an upgrade from normal to WT without changing the rack). I think the WT 8% rack was green, but I'm not sure. This has cropped up before and someone should know for sure (someone with an 8% rack and WT on a car a couple of years old could take a peek at theirs). Hope this helps, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Thompson Posted November 27, 2001 Share Posted November 27, 2001 I have to contradict you 22% racks are now black. Caterham sent me one for a standard track car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhill Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Paul, Re-read what I wrote; I said "All steering racks are now black, but in the past different racks were different colours". Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarty Blat Fast Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Widetrack clues. 1 Only fitted with cycle wings 2 Fatter ARB at front 3 Rear ARB fitted as part of Supersport suspension 4 Toe in - with front wheels in straight-ahead position, line up a straight edge across the diameter of the front wheels towards the rear wheels. For std track it should intersect the rear tyre approx 50mm in from the outside edge. With wide track it should allign with the outside edge of the tyre. Highspeed muckspreadingwink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miraz Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 I'm not sure this is true - not all new racks are black have a look at this Miraz Edited by - Miraz on 28 Nov 2001 17:51:31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomGaval Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Miraz, thanks for the confirmation. I've been reading this thread and thought maybe my yellow rack had something to do with it being LHD. BTW I had the kit speced with the wide track and clam shell fenders and they don't stick out too much, although I do find a lot of small stones one the seat after a drive. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony J Posted November 28, 2001 Author Share Posted November 28, 2001 Thanks for the the helpful tips, but I'm still not sure confused.gif Does anybody know the widetrack length of a front lower wish bone from the aft tube swivel joint (where it bolts to the chassis) to the ali stub axle. Cheers Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelspeed Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Approx 360mm from the centreline of the bolt holding the rear of the lower wishbone to the chassis to the centreline of the threaded bit of the upright thro the rose joint in the outer end of the wishbone. Thats for a rose jointed wishbone but constructed to be the same width as the normal widetrack wishbone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Mine's WT ('99) - green steering rack, extensions on dampers and adjustable rear ARB. Out of interest, does anyone know if WT affects turning circle? Mine seems to have the turning circle of an oil tanker whereas a friend of mine with a '92 Vx (don't even start F.A.) seems to have a much tighter turning circle. James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFA Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 James, Installing an Apollo tank in the nose may help your problem! Seriously, if the VX has flared wings it will turn tighter. Why are you using the sterring wheel for such tight turns for anyway. Thats what the loud pedals for..... Nice of you to think of me anyway teeth.gif Fat Arn The NOW PROVEN R500 Eaterid=red> See the Lotus Seven Club 4 Counties Area Website hereid=green> Edited by - Fat Arnie on 29 Nov 2001 00:25:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 My old x-flow had a great turning circle, much better than VDU. I think the newer racks all have a sleeve on either side of the rack that limits lock. This is to prevent the cycle wings hitting the side of the car at full lock. I'm not sure this is needed with WT but I think it's fitted as standard nowadays. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 1 Only fitted with cycle wings 2 Fatter ARB at front 3 Rear ARB fitted as part of Supersport suspension 4 Toe in - with front wheels in straight-ahead position, line up a straight edge across the diameter of the front wheels towards the rear wheels. For std track it should intersect the rear tyre approx 50mm in from the outside edge. With wide track it should allign with the outside edge of the tyre. I'm not sure that any of these are specific to WT though. My car's rears stick out more than the fronts as they're wider. I truth, if you spend enough time looking at Sevens, you can probably tell just by looking at the front track. A standard car looks very narrow when you're used to looking at WT. Alex Edited by - Alex Wong on 29 Nov 2001 00:46:11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFA Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 Alex, Its bedtime......Best we get off here before Chris Clark wakes up... Fat Arn The NOW PROVEN R500 Eaterid=red> See the Lotus Seven Club 4 Counties Area Website hereid=green> Edited by - Fat Arnie on 29 Nov 2001 00:49:05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 bum.gifsmile.gif Chris fartface-android Clark? Not here yet and nearly 2am. Batteries must have run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 Just checked - 265 to go and unlike you Arnie, I'm in no rush to acquire my animated farty bottom. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFA Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 Alex, I seem unable to be granted by Farthood by the Mighty Balding one..... Fat Arn The NOW PROVEN R500 Eaterid=red> See the Lotus Seven Club 4 Counties Area Website hereid=green> Edited by - Fat Arnie on 29 Nov 2001 09:49:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FH Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 I seem unable to be granted by Farthood by the Mighty Balding one..... With comments like that, The Mighty One is probably dreaming up something FAR id=red> worse for you blush.gif FH wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony J Posted November 29, 2001 Author Share Posted November 29, 2001 Thank all for yor comments. (including the wareabouts of Mr Clark) I can now clarify that front track sizes from the centre of the chassis bolt to the centre of the stub axle bolt on the lower arm rear tube are arrow.gif Standard track = 330mm approx Wide track = 360m approx Cheers Tony J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 If I knew that off hand, I'd be very worried. smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony J Posted November 29, 2001 Author Share Posted November 29, 2001 You do now Alex...So worry away eek.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFA Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 Bet Chris does..... Fat Arn The NOW PROVEN R500 Eaterid=red> See the Lotus Seven Club 4 Counties Area Website hereid=green> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhill Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 Miraz, Interesting, when did you build your car and what rack is that? I thought 22% racks were silver (though I'm not 100% on that), and weren't made in WT, but yours is silver yet doesn't have extensions. My comments come from what Caterham told me when I built my car in March. I spec'ed a 22% rack and was expecting a (probably) silver rack, with extensions for WT. The one I received was black with extensions, so I queried it with them. From the part number they confirmed it was 22%, and said all racks are now black. Apparently it was too much of a PITA for the supplier to do all the different colours. BTW, thumbsup.gif for your choice of colour (of the car that is) wink.gif Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike ashurst Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 360m eh, that is widewink.gif Only joking, and jealous 'cause HID won't let me buy the wide track kit sad.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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