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Mark H

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Does anyone know if it is possible to rebuild a sierra diff, in to LSD spec, if yes who makes the parts ? any idea how much i should expect to spend ? . And is it worth it for a road car ?

 

Yes, it certainly is. You have 3 obvious choices that I can think of :

 

1. Get a Sierra 4x4 LSD - ratio is usually 3.62 unless you're lucky enough to find one from a 2.0 4x4. You could, however, get Road and Race Transmissions to put a 3.9 crown wheel and pinion on the LSD. Cost - £100 for a second hand diff and about £100 for Road and Race to do the CWP swap.

2. Quaife ATB diff - but you may need to check what output flanges you have as the Quaife one isn't directly compatible with the Lobro type joints. This option allows you to stick with your existing diff ratio. Cost - diff is, I think, about £500 but if you need to swap the output flanges it might end up being more. Add fitting to that cost as well.

3. Tran-X plate type diff - more adjustable that the ATB diff in that settings can be changed more easily. No problems with compatibility of the internals with either Lobro or tripod joints. Again it allows you to keep the same diff ratio. Cost - something from about £400-£450 from memory + fitting.

 

I'm not sure which LSD Caterham fit at the moment but that may well be another option.

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The Seirra 4X4 diff is a viscous type and not very effective in its stock settings, also AFAIK the driveshaft connection to this unit is different to the standard Caterham.

 

Caterham currently fit the ZF plate type diff. This can be fitted to the standard Caterham Seirra diff casing and can be optimised for the Seven by Road& Race transmission. The unit cost is about £600 and fitting £75

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All in, including softening the preload (35-40lbsft rings bells, and the ramp angles will be 30deg, whatever they are) to suit a 7 the unit is 700+VAT from R&RT. If you give Phil notice (to get the bits in) he can turn it round in a day if you ask nicely.

 

Unless Chris Clark's there with his hammer of course.

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Marc

 

Assuming you've got a Caterham and not a n other Se7en, then the sierra option is not very econimical. I know I started down that route. The sierra unit has lobros (bolt on driveshafts) whereas the caterham uses splied slide in ones with tripods. If it is a caterham then the options are Quaife or ZF, I'm leaning towards a Quaife unit for a coupel of reasons. They're more suited for road use in that they're more progressive than a ZF unit which may cause the back end to 'snatch' when it engages. The quaife is cheaper. Unfortunately the bias on a quaife is not adjustable like the zf, but the opinion is with a ZF to set the ramp angle to 30 degrees rather than 45 degrees which I think is the norm for non se7ens. I spoke to Steve at SP Components 01527 894232. Road adn Race Transmissions 01959 525105 (Phil Stewart) was also quite good. If you're interested in a Quaife unit call me on 0207 542 5105, I'll see if they'll give me discount for a bulk order for cash.

 

BTW If I've been talking b*llocks, then anyone in the know, please feel free to chuck in your two penneth.

 

Roy

 

 

See willfly.net for more info.

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Thanks Rob,

 

I'm getting conflicting eports from two supposedly reputable diff 'experts' Steve @ SPC and Phil at Road and Race Transmissions.

 

I've also been told that ZF's can be clonky and noisy especially when they wind up when reversing or turning round in a circle and they they 'slip' ?. I'm looking for something that isn't going to upset the car during road use but stop me spinning the inside wheel on hairpins on trackdays. I don't race or do sprints.

 

See willfly.net for more info.

If you don't spin you ain't trying smile.gif

 

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ZF's are noisy when they wind up when reversing or turning round in a circle, but this effect is damped by compliance in the drivetrain - something 99% of Sevens have.

 

Only if you run a race clutch do you get all the nasty noises.

 

Out of the box the ZF is snatchy until it beds in. It is like a clutch in that respect, so when its new take it easy on wet roads (especially roundabouts) for a couple of hundred miles.

 

In every other respect the ZF is the diff to go for.

 

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So are you saying that if the inside wheel is in the air then it will spin. I can't see this happening that much on a road car, can you ?

 

If there's anyone near Fleet with a ZF LSD'd car who'd let me have a drive this weekent (salt and rain permitting) please let me know.

 

See willfly.net for more info.

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I have used both during my time with sevens, I started off with a Quaiffe in my Ital axled car (no option) and it was fine, you simply did not know it was there in normal driving but my times came down in sprints. When I bought the de-dion car it came with a ZF, a bit grumbly but no real problem but after a couple of years I noticed that I was struggling with rear end grip on the slower corners at Harewood. I checked the diff as advised and the torque setting was below new and well below that used by the VX racers. I had it shimmed and there was a great improvement in the dry but when I competed at a wet meeting it was very very twitchy. A couple of years ago I changed back to a quaiffe as a mate wanted another ZF so that he could have 2 diff ratios on identically set up diffs. As before its great, unnoticable on the road and does its job in sprints plus they are friendly in the wet.

 

I was always led to belive that the wheel lifting problems were more concered with rally cars than racers, may be wrong.

 

Paul

 

 

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There is another supplier of "Plate type" LSD's for the 7" Sierra Unit.

 

Tran-X in Coventry have a suitable unit and they have several configurations of ramp angle available. http://www.tran-x.com/

 

I have used their diffs in Escort rally cars and they have always been well made and reliable.

 

They also make a unit suitable for the Ital axle as an alternative to the Quaife.

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