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Sootysevener

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I'm getting a lot of liquid flow into the catch tank. I know it expands as it gets hot but the stat is 88 degrees and works well though there is some temperature uplift in traffic to 95 deg when the fan stat kicks in.

 

Just wondering whether the rad cap needs replacing and if so what pressure. Stant caps listed on Mocal website at 19/20, 22/24 and 29/31. Which is best for 1700 XF?

 

Advice please - cannot find anything relevant in the archives

 

David

 

1989 1700XF SS with upgraditis

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Myles

 

Fill the rad above the level of the stat and empty the overflow catch tank ( like a Unipart washer bottle) - not a header tank. Run the car for say 25 miles and i've got about a third of a litre of water/AF in the overflow tank again - boring as this leaves the rad not full when cold and leaves me concerned about localised hot spots in the cooling system *thumbdown*

 

David

 

1989 1700XF SS with upgraditis

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Hi David, I think what you're describing is the normal behaviour, but your rad cap may be duff, if the expanded coolant flows into the bottle when the engine is hot it should then be drawn back into the system as the engine cools.

 

The rad cap ( fitted on the thermostat housing )should be a two way type, and the pipe from the filler neck too the expansion bottle should reach too almost the bottom of the bottle, there should always be a level of coolant, say 1/3 full in the expansion bottle, cos if the pipes in the air, the air will be drawn into the engine, not good, as you know.

 

My Caterham supplied cap has a part no. 1613292, (circa 1995 )but is actually a Ford item, as I went from the original non sealed system to a sealed one for the very reasons you mention, air in the cylinder head, I could flick a picture of mine if it's any help, e-mail me direct and I'll get on it this weekend.

 

Regards Nigel.

 

1982. 5 speed, clamshells. B.R.G / Ali. The True Colours.

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  • 6 months later...

Not sure Nick - been re wiring, re flooring and carbonising with new instrumentation since Autumn but I put a new Stant racing cap on and relocated the catch tank. Bigger problem now is getting all the jobs finished - where does the time go? 😬

 

David

 

1989 1700XF SS clams with carbon

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David, I know it's late on this but it sounds like you have a non-sealed system. The catch tank is just that a tank to catch the coolant that will come out of the engine when it expands. Tha normal radiator level is about 1" from the top when cold.

 

To make a sealed unit you need to replace the sprung rad cap with a non-pressurised one - it's flat in the underside. Then replace the thin overflow pipe with a thicker pipe and take it to an expansion bottle (Ask Darren at Caterham and explain you want the bits to convert from open to sealed cooling system). I prefer to have the expansion tank above the cylinder head level but in theory it doesent matter. Therefore you can site it on the bulkhead or by the x brace behind the rad.

 

The advantages of the sealed system is that all the air is expelled from to engine coolant therefore reducing corrosion and the coolant capacity styas constant. Many will claim there are many other advantages but I think that's all there is.

 

Norman Verona, 1989 BDR 220bhp, Reg: B16BDR, Mem No 2166, the full story here

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No that's the problem Norman, it looks like a "standard" cap but doesn't have a pressure rating. Can a kind X Flow owner have a look at theirs and tell me what the release pressure is please?

Guy

 

From Clam shells to Cycle wings for only 3K *eek* *eek* *eek* here

IT'S MANGO AND THAT'S THE END OF THE MATTER

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Guy

 

I got a 22lb Stant racing cap from Burtons. Had a bit of seepage from the top hose at the rad end but removed the silicone hose, wrapped the rad outlet in plumbers PTFE tape about 8/10 times and refitted the hose - et voila!. Care not to over tighten the jubilee clip as its easy to crush the outlet pipe from the rad and then you'll definitely get leaks.

 

I still get expansion into the top tank but this is inevitable as the water expands. with a prper sized hole in the tank bung just big enough to take the pipe i simply refill the rad with the expanded water taking care to ensure i don't return silt to the system. Over the last 4 months I've only added it back a couple of times and the overflow is clean and largely free of silt

 

David

 

1989 1700XF SS clams with carbon

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Norman

Just been to Halfords and got the cap recommended for the RWD 1600 Escort/Cortina and it's rates at 13LBS.

Just got to wait for the car to cool down now, Halfords is only 2 miles away but it took me an hour and I did 40 miles 😬

Guy

 

From Clam shells to Cycle wings for only 3K *eek* *eek* *eek* here

IT'S MANGO AND THAT'S THE END OF THE MATTER

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If it's a 1700SS then you have the wrong ' stat fitted, it should be 74°C. I've just finally cured my overheating problems on my car, regularly spitting out it's coolant into the expansion bottle, and road. It turned out that the pressure cap was U/S, simple really. I guess it was overheating at the start due to the wrong pressure in the system, then not sucking it back into the engine due to the lack of vacuum, due to the leaking cap. New cap, bleed system, at the radiator, new 74°C stat, unnecessary, but I now have 2 spares, and it's back to normal running temps.
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JKJ mine was not overheating like Sootysevener's just letting water through the cap at normal running temp. Have now fitted a new cap (1600 OHV Cortina) and the problems solved.

Agree about REDLINE use them all the time, just wanted the car sorted to go to Goodwood Sunday.

Guy

 

From Clam shells to Cycle wings for only 3K *eek* *eek* *eek* here

IT'S MANGO AND THAT'S THE END OF THE MATTER

 

Edited by - Guy Lowe on 5 Jun 2006 10:06:24

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A pressurised cap will protect a system fom local overheating;

For instance, a 13psi cap will raise the boiling point of the system to 115-120 deg C, depending on the properties of the coolant.

I believe an unpressurised system, whilst it reduces stresses on hoses, actually makes the system more prone to failure. this could be a boil up, ejecting steam and boiling water, or local steam pockets leading to local overheating (in the head for example).

I'm not even going to mention "air"

8u66er *mad*

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