thinfourth Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 okay getting high oil pressure 8 bar at idle and 6 bar when stopped. So me thinks that something might be broke. Time for a gauge bin interface How easy is it to fit the spa oil pressure/temp gauge on a 1.6 k series which has got no oil temp probe that i know of. Also has caterham dry sump but that shouldn't make a difference since that is on the low pressure side of the oil system Sod the heater wheres my shades Edited by - thinfourth on 14 Mar 2005 00:13:52 Edited by - thinfourth on 30 Mar 2005 10:42:19 Edited by - thinfourth on 31 Mar 2005 17:27:02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 On the passenger side of the dry sump bell/tank housing there is a hole tapped in mine for a temp sender. Newer cars apparently don't have the hole tapped, but there is an obvious "blank" where you can drill and tap your own. The pressure sender that Spa ships with the gauge is excellent. A far superior item to the standard diaphragm but a completely different thread. You'll need to speak to Think Automotive about an adapter hose. Get one about 12 inches long so you can tie wrap the sender up out of the way of environmental damage. I'm sure I've a pic somewhere. Email me if you want me to dig it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfourth Posted March 14, 2005 Author Share Posted March 14, 2005 excellent any ideas as to who is the cheapest to buy it from. Demon thieves or elsewhere Sod the heater wheres my shades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I'm pretty sure Spa sells direct, although whether they're the cheapest or not I don't know. Certainly they sell the senders direct (I recently broke one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadrego Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Look on Racecar Forums, parts for Sale section. There is a guy on there who sells SPA gear cheaper than Spa direct. He goes by the username KeithC I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 SPA Direct *are* generally the cheapest - worth checking with the other-guy though. Project Scope-Creep is underway... Alcester Racing 7's Equipe - 🙆🏻™ Alcester-Racing-Sevens.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfourth Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 Any chance of someone sending me a picture of said blank as i have identified something that looks blank. Also if you know the thread of the pressure sender and temp sender and i can hunt down some taps to do the threading. Sod the heater wheres my shades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I'll check these tonight - they're listed in the SPA manual. Project Scope-Creep is underway... Alcester Racing 7's Equipe - 🙆🏻™ Alcester-Racing-Sevens.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfourth Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 Oh you get a manual with it excellent i was expecting the normal box of bits and nothing else. i shall look in the idiot guide when it turns up. Sod the heater wheres my shades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfourth Posted March 30, 2005 Author Share Posted March 30, 2005 okay that wasn't the quickest delivery known to man but it is here and after discovering my coffee is at 65centigrade and i can blow no harder then 2psi i am now faced with fitting it. I don't fancy drilling a hole in the side of the bell tank due to chance of getting swarf and crap into system and it leaves my temp probe rather exposed to low flying bunnys etc. So am looking at getting a custom made hose made up either going into the top of the conning tower where the oil comes in or the hose going from the oil tank to the engine Any thoughts on what would be the best or easiest. Sod the heater wheres my shades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I'd guess the former - the OT sender needs to be in the flow of the oil - but not restricting it. You're probably aware that they put it in the body of the Apollo (if fitted) - dunno where the equivalent would be with a DS - worth checking with V7 if he's online. OK, I see he answered this before... Oh well, hose it is then. Project Scope-Creep is underway... Alcester Racing 7's Equipe - 🙆🏻™ Alcester-Racing-Sevens.com Edited by - Myles on 30 Mar 2005 13:05:26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Day Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 As a temporary measure you could use some amalgamating tape to wrap the temperature sensor to the hose. It would read lower than the actual oil temp but at least it would give an good approximation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfourth Posted March 30, 2005 Author Share Posted March 30, 2005 how durable is the sensor as i can't get a hose made up in time and i plan to just get an quick adapter made up Sod the heater wheres my shades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 The bellhousing really is the best place. In 25,000 miles it's never let me down and it's not in the way of road debris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfourth Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 okay all fitted thanks to miracle working machine shop m12x1.5 to 1/8bsp adapter made up in half an hour. Temp sensor fitted in bell housing i hate drilling holes in expensive things So what should i set max oil temp and min oil pressure to its a 1.6 supersport with drysump and no oil cooler Sod the heater wheres my shades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff C Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I am also looking to fit one of these dual gauges and found here to be the cheapest. DT, SPA direct and Merlin are all the same price. Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 What you really need to do is leave off setting the alerts for a little while. Reset the min/max then after a few trips out, click the button to give the min/max recorded values and set your temp alert just outside of that. For oil pressure, I tend to set mine at the same psi it displays when idling, or *just* above it. Then you find it flickers on when you come to junctions etc. This is good because: a) it proves to me that I will notice it if/when it alerts me for real 2) it proves that the alerts are working properly iii) there is no iii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfourth Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 that was what i have done before reading this was just seeing if i got it right for oil pressure but oil temp no so sure as i guess it will be higher on track then on the road Sod the heater wheres my shades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 That's true about on-track oil temp, so what do you want to be alerted to? Do you want to put in a hot track limit, or a hot road limit or change the limits accordingly to suit your applications? I mean it's a 2 minute job to reset it in the pits after your session is over so either do that, or spend a bit on oil temperature control. I think Mylo's looking at oil coolers now after his return from the Anglesey trip where his oil temp rose consistently throughout the day. I have a laminova and dry sump. The dry sump tends to keep the oil cooler than a wet sumped car, mostly I guess because the oil's not thrashed by the crank (I'm not so convinced that the "out-of-engine" storage has much influence here). I don't believe the laminova does much for cooling the oil although it definitely does *something*. I have noticed my oil comes up to temp quicker with the laminova, and then on track it goes above the coolant temp but never really goes much above 90 degrees, and as 90 degrees is a sensible limit all round (road and track) I stuck the limit up at 95. There's no real need to be warned below that. To be honest, oil can deal with much higher temps but what I'm warning myself about is the failure in some of the system to keep it cool, rather than the worry that the oil is about to break down. That make sense? The important thing is not to use the gauges as opportunities to worry unduly. There's definitely a good case for doing away with all gauges and simply installing warning lights. Ha ha... I spend so much time looking at my gauges I think I'm the perfect test subject for such a system. 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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