oldbutnotslow Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Having removed the engine (K) and delivered this to Dave Andrews I was checking the engine mounts and found that the braze around one of them had all but parted. 😳 Question? Are they brazed for a reason? Is there any reason why they could they be welded as opposed to brazed? Grant Black and stone chip and currently not going but getting better ☹️ here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Grant - do you mean one of the L-shaped brackets, or the rubber things? And... ...is it a RH-side L-bracket - if so, I have one spare that I can let you have (either a new-one (unopened) for a bit less than CC's going rate) or my slightly-scabby original one). Erm, due to my financial situation (see mail earlier), I'd still need money for the old-one. If I'm going to sell one, it'd probably be the new one though. Yell now (ideally) because I'll be bolting one (the scabby one) into the car tomorrow (I hope). I can bring the new one to Emerald (assuming I make it) on Friday - touch wood. If it's either a rubber-thingy or a LHS one - you're on your own... ☹️ Project Scope-Creep is underway... Alcester Racing 7's Equipe - 🙆🏻™ Alcester-Racing-Sevens.com Edited by - Myles on 12 Mar 2005 22:15:37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbutnotslow Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 Hi Myles, Its the N/S (Exhaust) L shaped metal bracket that I need. The rubber bushes look OK as does the O/S bracket. I guess its when you ground the sump that the cracking starts! So you are at Emerald on Friday. What time are you expecting to be there? Grant Black and stone chip and currently not going but getting better ☹️ here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Grant - not un-common with the old type of mount - see ours (of course!!) here - same side as yours. New one we replaced it with has been strengthened with a gusset. Big update! here 80,000miles in 3 years plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngbutnotslow Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Hi Angus, yep thats the one! Broken in exactly the same place. I was just going to reweld but as there is a stronger version I think that I will splash out on a new one! Matt - see my car here Son of Oldbutnotslow here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Probably worth replacing, as you say. New version has a triangular fillet welded on - reminds me I must take a picky of our new one! Big update! here 80,000miles in 3 years plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Grant - could be another no-show at this rate - the engine-crane I was expecting has been loaned to someone else - confusion over dates... Dunno if I can get it in now - I really needed to do most of the work today. ☹️ Project Scope-Creep is underway... Alcester Racing 7's Equipe - 🙆🏻™ Alcester-Racing-Sevens.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbutnotslow Posted March 13, 2005 Author Share Posted March 13, 2005 I know its a long way but I have one that you could borrow Grant Black and stone chip and currently not going but getting better ☹️ here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I just received from Caterham my new 1.6 K 1997 engine mounts and found that the right one (well the one which holds too the alternator, so it must be the LHS for you) is different from my old one. Among other differences it has a kind of 'leg' toward the rear, making it triangular. It does not seem to be possible to fit it to my car. Are you aware of different models ? Cheers! Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbutnotslow Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 I dont know of different types. You can see pictures of the new style mount here and here I dont know if this helps Pierre. Grant Black and stone chip and currently not going ☹️ but waiting to me made better curtsey of Dr. Dave Andrews. Not long now hopefully?! here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Thanks Grant. The photos show what is on my car the LHS. The new one sent by Caterham is OK for me to replace the old one. In fact my concern is relative to the other one, the one that holds the alternator and is much more complicated and ...expensive. By the way, is this one also prompt to failure ? Pierre Edited by - Pierre Gillet on 18 Mar 2005 07:24:59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbutnotslow Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 Pierre, I think that they are both prone to cracking but perhaps the NS more so that the o/s (right hand drive). I think the cause of the cracking is grounding the sump. The sump is lower on the n/s by the drain plug and as such will probably stress the bracket more often. Its interesting to see that the bracket is brazed and not welded. Presumably this is because braze is softer and may be able to take more punishment that the harder weld. This is the other engine mount here and here Grant Black and stone chip and currently not going ☹️ but waiting to me made better curtsey of Dr. Dave Andrews. Not long now hopefully?! here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Thanks again Grant. These two photos are those of the mount I am talking about, and the one that Caterham sent me is different. e.g. it has a leg brazed to it that is also bolted on the engine . I am going back to Darren and will attach your photo if you don't care. Merci! Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Caterham is now sending me the right mount, thanks to your photo Grant. It was just a matter of exchanging some mails with attached photos. Fabulous. The one they had sent was probably for VVC cars. Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Day Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I think that they are both prone to cracking but perhaps the NS more so that the o/s (right hand drive). I think the cause of the cracking is grounding the sump. The sump is lower on the n/s by the drain plug and as such will probably stress the bracket more often. Isn't this typical. The sump plug's at the lowest point so grounds 1st & the forward motion gradually unscrews it. I hope everyone checks theirs on a frequent basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbutnotslow Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 Glad to be of assistance Pierre 😬 Grant Black and stone chip and currently not going ☹️ but waiting to me made better curtsey of Dr. Dave Andrews. Not long now hopefully?! here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Ooops, double post Edited by - Pierre Gillet on 18 Mar 2005 21:09:06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I just replaced the LHS one, and did not find any crack . It was 8 years old and had performed 30 000km. But it is also true that most of the time I am using 14 " wheels on the road, and so do not ground the sump often. Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 I received the second engine mount from Caterham. It looks like Grant's lower picture. here Question: I noticed that this side engine mount (RHS) is already reinforced by a triangle, which was not the case for the older models of other one. Since most photos of craked monts I have seen are of the other side mount (LHS), I am wondering if RHS mounts are as prone to craking as LHS ones . Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfourth Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 < big clang> i thing caterham are going to have a run on fecking engine mounts this week Sod the heater wheres my shades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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