Topwelshman Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 cheers guys, i'll make some calls today. I'll have to do some research on Q plates. If I was looking to buy 2nd hand I wouldn't want a Q plate unless it was substantially cheaper so it might be a case of pay more for a current plate now but get it back at the other end, in which case there's no real saving. But, on the other hand it'd be nice now to have it built to a budget.Mmmh! XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 you are allowed 2 major used components on a regular registration . You should have come to the club meet last night - there were people there who have been through this process . The first things you need to decide in my opinion is what is your budget , what do you want to use it for - and do regulations for championships apply ? and do you want it road registered at all ? and is residuels a big concern for you ? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwelshman Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 Hi Dave, I was all set to come & then had a problem on site & had to go to Oxford to sort it out. I was really looking forward to meeting you all & picking your brains. I want to raod reg it so i can blat about on sundays, residuals are a concern but I suppose only really matter if the drop in the RV is proportionately alot more than the reduction in build cost. Didn't realise it was 2 major components, I thought it was only 1, that offers alot more scope for savings XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Edited by - Topwelshman on 4 Mar 2005 11:30:45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Dont buy or build these cars with resale value in mind . especially if you are going to build a "bitsa" . A bitsa is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay you . Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Corb Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I wouldn't order a carbon dash, they are illegal in most classes of caterham racing for safety reasons. They are also very difficult to remove as they are bonded to the chassis with yackum. Also I'd read the all the relevant regs from http://www.caterhamracing.com . Depending on which series you want to enter will determine whether you are allowed wide track / LSD etc. Appollo is always a good idea. BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwelshman Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 It's all a bit confusing....The R400 Regs clearly state that you can't upgrade from a standard road car to the spec & the Roadsport Regs say that the chassis has to be one of the following CRD98RK CRD01.5RK CRD02RR CRD03RR Looking at the chassis nos. i'm reading this to mean that it has to be a "Completely knocked down" kit not a starter kit, which I think means that i'd have to have a full kit of all parts incl the engine from them to be eligible. In the Graduate Regs it states "All cars must use the standard Caterham chassis & bodywork as originally supplied for cars manufactured to comply with these regulations" I've sent clarification to CC as this seems to imply that I cannot race if I source the parts mysef. This would seem highly unfair & tie you into spending more money than needed with CC & that is not sporting. Any comments? XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 To get a current reg you are only allowed one used part and you must be able to prove that that part has been reconditioned as new. Now there are ways around this. For instance you could get a used diff, give it to someone to fit a LSD and get it back along with a reciept for "New LSD"....... Likewise a used type 9 in exchange for a "new gearbox" from BGH or SPC The engine is probably going to have to be to a certain spec for the race series........as said before study the regs Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I`m not surprised about the CKD thing. Caterham have a race series to promote the cars but also to make money. By stipulating that all parts must be supplied by them they not only control the spec of the cars but they ensure that all money spent goes their way............good business sense I guess Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwelshman Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 It's good business especially considering the numbers racing, but, it's not sporting. We have scrutineers to ensure the cars are fit & to spec so there's no need for them to control the flow of parts. I can't see the difference between building it yourself using parts sourced from elsewhere as long as those parts are the same as fitted to other cars & are Caterham parts. XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwelshman Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 It's good business especially considering the numbers racing, but, it's not sporting. We have scrutineers to ensure the cars are fit & to spec so there's no need for them to control the flow of parts. I can't see the difference between building it yourself using parts sourced from elsewhere as long as those parts are the same as fitted to other cars & are Caterham parts. I was thinking along the same lines about getting around the new parts bit XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Formston Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Hi Topwelshman I bought A starter kit A christmas and fitted a Zetec and its great no worries about head gasgets the engine it unbreakerble it looks the part in the car like the old Lotus twincam im very pleased with it ,up to now the car has cost me £14,000 and that with all the Raceline parts sump, Jenve throttle bodys and Gem management, water rail and plumbing,also BGH Geartech E2 gearbox, I think for long term reliability the Zetec is built to last so put A Zetec in and Let me say thanks to Chris at Raceline for all his help cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwelshman Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 Too late, I went for a K on the basis I could race it next year if I want!! The graduates have confirmed that as long as its to the same spec then it will be eligible, still waiting to hear from Roadsports & this is where I would want to go! XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwelshman Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 Too late, I went for a K on the basis I could race it next year if I want!! The graduates have confirmed that as long as its to the same spec then it will be eligible, still waiting to hear from Roadsports & this is where I would want to go! If sourcing the engine & gearbox mysellf prevents me from racing then I might cancel the order. 🙆🏻 XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Edited by - Topwelshman on 5 Mar 2005 19:38:55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesElliott Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Just one more thing about Roadsports (although personally, I'm dubious of them saying that this is ok) - priority for RSB goes to the previous Academy year and it's very likely to be oversubscribed so at a minimum you will probably have to target Inters. Going straight into Inters is probably a exciting way to get into racing Charles --- My SuperGraduates 2005 diary My Caterham Academy 2004 build and race diary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesElliott Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Oh, and I assume you've found this forum here? Charles --- My SuperGraduates 2005 diary My Caterham Academy 2004 build and race diary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwelshman Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 Yes,i've seen it & have a put a few posts up asking for advice. Yes, i'd want to go for RS Inter or A & have not had confirmation from them yet that it would be eligible, only Graduates have confirmed it would be ok. It doesn't make sense, if my car would be eligible for Grads & you can upgrade a grads car to a Roadsports, then why can't my car be eligible if I source the engine & gearbox myself?? £3,500 for a K is extortionate when I can get a decent very low mileage one for less than half that XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Edited by - Topwelshman on 6 Mar 2005 11:12:21 Edited by - Topwelshman on 6 Mar 2005 11:14:07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesElliott Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Basically, Caterham run the series and they make the rules. To put it another way, why would Caterham want to encourage non-Caterham sourced major car components to race in their series when they are oversubscribed as they are?? Grads have a different agenda and, as I would expect, they tend to be slightly less pescriptive on requirements. Charles --- My SuperGraduates 2005 diary My Caterham Academy 2004 build and race diary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwelshman Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 I understand that but it's not as if they make the the engine is it? I know it's oversubscribed that it's still not sporting. Cheers for your help by the way XL Motorsport....Racing into the Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWoodham Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 the purpose of the Academy is to sell 50+ cars a year, also keeping the factory busy in the 'off' season. the purpose of Roadsports B is to sell upgrades to ex Academists at £1000 a pop the purpose of Inters is......ditto Roadsports A..... R400s... "you do the math" Martin 2004 ex-Academy car going on Roadsports B... If everything's under control you're going too slow (Emmerson Fittipaldi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogvet Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Buy a 2nd hand Roadsports A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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