GTD Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Apologies if the answer to this is included with Low Flying - I've justdownloaded the registration form from the Home Page. Can someone point me to the class structure? Mine is a Mega Grad (1.6 k series with super sport conversion) and I need to find out which class I am in. Haven't chosen the tyres yet, so advice on what to go to get the best class appreciated. G for Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberts Wallet Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 With your car Geoff, class 2 or 3 depending on tyres. Gareth Blue and Carbon 6 Speed Supersport lots of Caterham piccies here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberts Wallet Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Sorry, as for tyres RE720's used to be the best bet for class 2 (list 1a) but you can't get those anymore. As for class 3 then any list 1b tyre. Not sure what would be best tho. Gareth Blue and Carbon 6 Speed Supersport lots of Caterham piccies here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Jnr Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hi Geoff, For your car to run in class 2 or 3 you need to run in road legal form i.e with lights but you do not need your windscreen. Rob Robert Herring RobH@grandprixracewear.com GPR Direct Motorsport Equipment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTD Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Rob - thanks - what a pain - what are the options if I don't put lights back on? Would I be right to guess that I am going to be hopelessly out specced if I go to a non road legal class? G for Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberts Wallet Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Ooops, forgot about that road legal bit 😳 Gareth Blue and Carbon 6 Speed Supersport lots of Caterham piccies here Edited by - Gareth Harrold on 8 Feb 2005 12:29:11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Jnr Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Geoff, It will be a challenge, you will be in class 6 and may need another 100bhp and slicks I think reattaching the lights will be the easier option, but you do get to remove all your lead and run with a splash of fuel 😬 Robert Herring RobH@grandprixracewear.com GPR Direct Motorsport Equipment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTD Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Rob 100 bhp and slicks - I like the way you are thinking! Better dust off those lights then. Do they actually have to work, 'cos the wires have frayed so much taking them off and putting them back! I'm not racing this year, doing a lot of practice and a few sprints instead, so do I need the fire extinguisher re-fitted too? G for Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberts Wallet Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Will he also need, MOT etc. I've been asked to my MOT cert at a sprint (i think ) Gareth Blue and Carbon 6 Speed Supersport lots of Caterham piccies here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Kipper Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Geoff To run in classses 1-5 the car needs to be road legal - taxed, MOT'd and insured. Kipper Fun is not a straight line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I have never been asked to prove my lights are working so I guess as long as you attach them you might get away with it...also as the club events are such good natured as long as you don't win everything in sight all you will get is a shed load of banter 😬 fire extinguisher - not required, but I Suspected 'recommended'[ :/] BTW list 1b tyre of choice for the last 2 years has been the acb10 compund 24, and I suspect that willbe the case for this year as well.... rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTD Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 MoT? Yikes - this is looking bad! I'd need to put the 7 through an MoT then? Given that I have no other reason to do so, as the car is SORN'ed, I can't see it being worth the cost of that, plus the tax disk etc. ☹️ It does seem a little extreme to have one class for non road legal cars? G for Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Geoff - the problem is that we only ever have a handful of cars who compete in that class so to break it down any further wouldn't in th epast make much sense plus int he past all the cars in that class have been high powered monsters so relatively evenly matched rob rob (See my out of date web sitehere ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTD Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hmmm - I've found the regs in Competitors Korner - should have looked there first I guess! Looks like Class 6 is the only option if I don't want to spend the dosh to meet the road legal requirement for all the other classes. 138 bhp versus 200 plus! I'll stop building the trophy cabinet, then! As the regs are still provisional, is there any way of tackling this? If not, then I guess we'll just have to enter class 6 and see how many we can embarass. Anyone got any second hand slicks? G for Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I suspect for this year they are set I am afraid , BB will be able to confirm as for slicks, check the race teams and pick up 2nd hand ones for 10 quid a corner rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver 21 Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 GTD Unfortunately you are in a minority, to compete in any Sprint championship a car of your spec would need to be road registered, its not just us. There are no plans to sub divide Class 6 when we are lucky to get 5 registered contenders in the class. Sorry its just we cannot meet everyones one off request. Graham Competition Secretary 2005 Speed Championship - 13 Rounds with 7 counting towards the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Perry Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 So another way to look at it is that with only up to 5 contenders (not all of whom will be at every event) you do have a good chance of being in the top 3 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 GTD - Even if you are underpowered, class 6 has so few runners that with the odd mechanical problem for a fellow class member, there's still a good chance of getting a place or even winning the class. Having a car that can get a time is the most important, followed the driver's skill, and finally the car's potential. And remember, for the invitation sprints, there may only be a couple of class 6 runners who get entries..... One small point where I could be wrong, but IIRC, MSA regs state non road legal cars should have MSA papers. They're easy to get & not expensive, but it's something to bear in mind. As I said, I may well be wrong on this - I'm sure I'll be corrected within a few minutes if I am 😬 Poised over a bench with a nibbler and ally sheet..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTD Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 Graham - If it's not just a L7 CLub thing, sorry - is it an MSA ruling that the lower classes must have an MoT? Anyway there'll be acouple of extra competitors in Class 6 this year, as I've promised a friend of mine that he can share the car! G for Geoff Edited by - GTD on 9 Feb 2005 08:37:41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Most sprint and hillclimb classes - outside of the L7C series are either split in "roadgoing upto 1700cc / over 1700cc " or "modified production" Roadgoing is fully road legal, mod prod is anything goes with slicks ( very simialr to class 6) . This is why scholarship cars are road legal, then you eventually end up with your car spec . Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTD Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 Thanks Dave G for Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renny Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 MSA log book is required for non-road legal (i.e. taxed and MOT'd). They can be obtained from any Nat B or above scrutineer, usually at the event if you make prior arrangements. Make sure you have a photograph showing the front 3/4 view of the car with nothing in the background that distracts from the image of the car. Cost is £22 IIRC. Renny Thomson MSA Scrutineer (Nat A) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelspeed Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Last year there was a dispensation for class 6 cars that were genuine race cars in that they didn't need sprint log books. Seem to recall they had to produce a programme from a recent race meeting to prove they were genuine. Was this a pukka MSA rule that will also apply this year or just a fudge to get a couple more entries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Richard Price Posted February 15, 2005 Area Representative Share Posted February 15, 2005 The dispensation is part of "L9.1.7". ".......or is currently used in circuit racing and is entered in an event on an occasional basis. The onus of proof rests with the competitor". In Geoff's case, this would not appear to apply, if he is not racing this year, but does intend to compete on speed events on a more frequently. So, it looks like Geoff needs a logbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTD Posted February 16, 2005 Author Share Posted February 16, 2005 Richard - thanks! G for Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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