mav Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 Do I really need an Anti-cav tank for my car? I only ask following the article in this months LF. I have a 1.6ss. If the said item is recommended does anyony know where in the NW i can get it fitted (Kendrick Motors etc?). Is there an alternative (or cheaper) option to that offered by Caterham or is 'their' item the best one to choose?? Comments asap as time is running out Regards, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS CLARK Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 Mav. Here goes for what it's worth. It really depends on what use you intend your car to be put to. Normal road use and it's probably overkill, but if a track day or two is on the cards then, yes, fit an Apollo tank. In saying that,I don't intend any track days but am still going to fit one to my modded 'K' as this engine type DOES NOT like aerated oil in the hyd. followers, but worse still around number one big end!!!! I hear that (some) R500 owners are fitting these tanks, but for use as extra oil storage capacity rather than its intended use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Carmichael Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 The Apollo tank is an excellent piece of appropriate technology. In combination wiht a dry sump, it is the belt for when the braces snap. When it comes into use it will perform the same oil/air separation function to good effect. Chris is right that for track use it should be considered the minimum requirment for the k-series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted September 7, 2001 Author Share Posted September 7, 2001 Thanks guys. look like i'm about to start spending earlier than i thought!!! cheers, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan T Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 Martin When I ordered my car I was strongly advised to fit one. Obviously didn't proffer the same advice to you which is a pity. Good news...I am having the FIA bar fitted 25th Sept. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted September 8, 2001 Author Share Posted September 8, 2001 Jan, I'll be ordering the tank thisa week with a view to it being fitted by my local service agent (Not going to Ryders). Great news on the bar situation. - we'll be seeing each other at Snetterton then!! Regards, Martin teeth.gifthumbsup.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Ince Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 R500's will soon all be fitted with Apollo tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS CLARK Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 These poor (?) R500 owners will have to go on a diet to compensate for all this extra weight (or will the R500 ones be half the wall thickness and twice the price ?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.14 Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Hi Mav I've just fitted a Anti Cav tank to my superlight and found it a very straight forward installation.......Only thing is the oil changes are going to be expensive! Even on the road I'd, from time to time, experience a rather worrying rattle from the engine through fast corners. I think they should be fitted as standard to all K's. £200 isn't much in the grand scheme of things if its going to save your engine! PS thanks to those who mailed me the digital pics as the Caterham supplied intructions were sad.....when will they sort themselves out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted September 10, 2001 Author Share Posted September 10, 2001 The car is going to Caterham Midlands tomorrow for the Anti Cav to be fitted. I will be taking extensive photos during the fitting for future reference. Regards, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS CLARK Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 No 14. Dion't those pictures in the instruction booklet have a striking resemblance to a black cat in a coal hole at night !!!! My copy even has "sorry about the pics" scribbled on the cover; and it has been photocopied like that {D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Tipp Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 I can take some digital shots of my installation if anyone need them? P.S. If you are doing track work in a 1.6 SS then fit an oil cooler as well. T 1 PPB - Superlight "Well yes officer I'm not arguing, it's just that [insert excuse here]..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.14 Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 What can I say?...........Caterham might well be happy to put out crap and even make fun of it as with your experience Chris.look what happened to Ratner...............they should be more proffessional in EVERY detail............it will be their down fall! Brad..thought you didn't need an oil cooler with an anti cav unit?..........maybe I'm not pushing hard enough on the track although my ACB10's indicate otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Caterham claim you do not an oil cooler with the dry sump not sure about anti cav rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Carmichael Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Hmmmm. R500s need oil coolers, but they have a lot of reject heat. IME, the Apollo tank installation does give rise to high oil temperatures: 1. because it includes a temperature sensor so you can measure them 2. because crank windage sinks a lot of heat into the oil I think of it this way. The makers of dry sump systems claim that reduced windage sees you getting extra power out of the engine. This power is normally being sunk into the oil, so it is viable that the oil temps with a wet sump will be higher than with a dry sump. My engine doesn't currently run an oil cooler but I am pretty sure it will need one on track. I also suspect that the electric water pump is a very good idea for preventing hot spots on shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 as always take anything that is said int he manual with a pinch of salt as I do not currently have an oil temp gauge I am expecting no problems int his area ;-) Peter - on a related topic - did you ever sort out your sensor to detect dry sump belt failure? Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted September 11, 2001 Author Share Posted September 11, 2001 Anti cav fitted in 4hrs flat by the guys at Caterham Midlands! Great Job well done. I can now say I have not met a nicer or more helpful buch of people in a long long time!! Well done guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Tipp Posted September 12, 2001 Share Posted September 12, 2001 No14 - I needed an oil cooler on a 1.6 SS as oil temps were getting up to 110 on hot track days. After an engine upgrade it really required an oil cooler as the temps went higher faster. T 1 PPB - Superlight "Well yes officer I'm not arguing, it's just that [insert excuse here]..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Carmichael Posted September 12, 2001 Share Posted September 12, 2001 Rob, Yes I have sorted out a sensor costing all of £1.76. Will you be at the Phoenix tonight? I could get along... Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted September 12, 2001 Share Posted September 12, 2001 forecast is appalling however if you are going to be there then I will make the trip justto see it rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Carmichael Posted September 12, 2001 Share Posted September 12, 2001 er... OK. I will review weather situation later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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