Violet Elizabeth Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I generally keep logs through the winter, as we don't have a fire in summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewenm Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Surely you keep logs though the summer and burn them through the winter 🤔 😬 71583 miles and finally rising again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I keep logs until they really need to come out... 😬 moom www.megabird.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I like to download mine at least once a day 😳 😳 Dannyboy - almost finished the rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewenm Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Definitely of variable quality though 😳 71583 miles and finally rising again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug phillips Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Dan I dont want to know about your "Downloads", I have to much "paper work" of my own Doug, Su77on Se7ens See our web site here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debert Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 db - the "notice & take down" works in US law, but the british libel law goes something like "it still existed, and caused me (or my reputation - sic) pain / hurt / damage" even after it was deleted, it was still originally written and "published". ☹️ I think it's something like "aprox" 20gb bandwidth per month - Barry would be able to confirm. Bear in mind that this bandwidth is with Blatchats "own" highly customised code and hosting their own SQL server (so total space and searching isn't a problem). Any "other" forum would probably be more "graphical" than text, and therefore possibly much greater throughput than 20gb / month. You'd also pay an arm and a leg for a dedicated sql server with unlimited storage and unlimited queries. And now you'd better believe us... We're gonna win the cup ❗ See Barbarella here... Edited by - Fletch on 8 Apr 2004 12:33:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I agree that the libel is still valid, even once taken down. However, is the "publisher" still liable, or just the individual poster? I haven't seen any UK case law on this one - does anyone know of any? My ... Preciousss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debert Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 If you're a "club member" (*) can we ask to see a copy of the "50 page report" to draw our own conclusions ? Can anyone please tell me what it actually says in LF (mine's still not arrived) (*) Membership number 10579 (honest guvnah) And now you'd better believe us... We're gonna win the cup ❗ See Barbarella here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Under the articles of association of the club, you have no rights as a member to see any company documents, but it would be nice to see the report, I agree. (point 57 - no member shall (as such) have any right of inspecting any accounting records, or other book or document of the company, except as conferred by statute or authorised by the directors) My ... Preciousss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_pank Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 IP addresses are logged by your ISP - this is a legal requirement so even if you have a dynamic ip address it is still traceable. If you use an anonymising proxy for posting then surely the libellous material is traced back to the anonymising proxy, not blatchat, so again, no problem. I am really concerned that our beloved blatchat is about to be ruined for lack of technical nouse... someone tell me why my idea above is a bad one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarella Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I've just set up a remotely hosted free forum for our sailing club at InvisionFree. Easy to set up, customisable and don't have to worry about paying the web host for our main site the extra to host MySQL etc. And it's physically hosted in the US, which I believe is helpful on the legal front. see InvisionFree here Se7en's - the most fun you can have with clothes on Barbarella here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Charlie, have you ever tried to serve a US based anonymising proxy web site with a writ to demand that they give up this information? As I don't have the technical nous, may be you can enlighten me? Additionally, how long do you think that this would take, and how much would it cost? If BC went members only, identifiying a miscreant would be a lot simpler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Barbarella, as I understand UK libel law, the offence takes place where the defamation is read, not where the site is hosted, so if you think that you are protecting yourself, you may be mistaken. Furthermore, the invision board may be free, but if the reputed figure of 20GB monthly traffic that this site generates is correct, this would probably have most hosts sending out bills, throttling the bandwidth, or just closing it down for long periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarella Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Dipstick Not saying at all that it's a solution for Blatchat, but it may be for other lighter weight forum uses that folk were asking about. InvisionFree TOS makes it clear that the person who posts is responsible, not the host. Fletch - if u read this, LF has arrived. Se7en's - the most fun you can have with clothes on Barbarella here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_pank Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Easy tiger! If it came across that I was saying we DON'T have the technical nouse, that was not intended. What I was trying to do is make sure that we have answered all of these question correctly. Working in IT as I do (and I assume by the offence you've taken that you do too) it is always wise to clear these questions up first as they don't always occur to people outside the field whereas those inside take them for granted. Of course you are right that having a reliable list of members is the quickest way to provide accountablility, however, what would happen if we were to say to the offended party in one of these cases "it came from this IP address which is an anonymising proxy, you deal with it" - have we fulfilled our part of the legal obligation, in as much as we have audited as much as possible precisely where the connection came from? In a legal sense does this take the pressure off us? I don't know the answer to that and for all I know that's the point that the directors got to in their investigations and their legal advice told them that in this situation they would still be liable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Hmmm lots of people getting very hung up on this. Personally I couldn't give a monkeys, and I'm a non-member, so won't be able to post if this change comes about. But it's really not a problem, I'll still be able to read if I want to, and if i can't contribute... well, whose loss is that? It ain't mine. moomin www.megabird.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not a Postman Pat Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 I've just received LF. Well written piece about it really - hard to fault their decision. ☹️ ☹️ ☹️ Poopoo-san and his not quite black and white cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debert Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Another Tuppence from me IP spoofing is already a BIG problem for the ISP's trying to trace virus writers and spam senders. Libel lawyers will just kick the publisher, if they can't get to the writer. Just the THREAT of a POSSIBILITY of a law suit would have most forum "owners" crapping themselves. They're on the way to closing down the internet now! And now you'd better believe us... We're gonna win the cup ❗ See Barbarella here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 hard to fault their decision Yes, hard to fault the "we need to protect ourselves" decision. I just disagree with solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Noger, forgive me, I can't be 🙆🏻d to trawl back through all the posts, what would be your solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Dipstick.. HELLOOOOO..this is the sheds......!!! take it outside gents!! 😬 and be nice to one another 😬 😬 Dannyboy - almost finished the rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Dannyboy, I like this place, I want it to stay the way it is. If Noger has a solution that will keep it this way, I would then lobby the management to consider Noger's solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewenm Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 But in Chitchat surely 71583 miles and finally rising again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Actually Ewen, no. I would *write* to the Chairman and Secretary. Old fashioned I know, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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