Violet Elizabeth Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Yay ... rawk and roll 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Hey Noger, you seem pretty cheesed off with the club. Why not ask for your money back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debert Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Barry (aka "The Headmaster") is an old friend of mine who i luckily bumped into again on Blatchat before i bought the car for Jen and BEFORE i became a club member. He's in a sticky spot, and it's not his fault Uncle Baz - If i can be of any help, just shout (same as always) 😬 Long live blatchat, long blat the live, whatever .... And now you'd better believe us... We're gonna win the cup ❗ See Barbarella here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 you seem pretty cheesed off with the club. Why not ask for your money back? Not the club, just what is happening at the moment ☹️ I think it is the wrong thing to do, won't work, will cause other problems and resentment . And as there are no other forums to express my opinion, then I use Chitchat. Am not one to sit around and say nothing if I don't see something as right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Go , Go ,Go - do the rest of us a massive favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Save that for upstair please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 if you look at the budget blatchat isn't that expensive compared to the money the club gets each year. even compared to the money it gets from the approx 10% of people that use it regularly. I'd happily have blatchat instead of low flying if that balanced the costs (although I've had no more than a peep at a proff of the new low flying - and the hoopylight has a FAB spot on the cover - just on the left had edge of the 'L' of low flying ) but its not a cost thing - they're worried about getting sued. I don't see how members only stops you getting sued.... HOOPY R706KGU Hoopylight R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Because it apparently adds tracability... presumably via your membership number or something? moom www.megabird.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asker of daft questions Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Oh bu$$er, what will I do, how will I drum up business, I know, I'll join the club then I can wipe out members at will I'm gonna get ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Your IP address provides traceability. The site says that it is logged every time you make a post. If things go legal, then this is a route to trace. It is trickier than having a name and address on file. I would have tought that having a notice and take-down procedure would be sufficient protection for the club in cases of libel. It seems to work for the ISPs. I have mailed the Club Secretary to find out more (posted on the thread upstairs, too) My ... Preciousss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 yes - 20 Gb is pretty close to the current usage... Is that 20Gb/s bandwidth, or are we talking daily/monthly/annual data transmission volumes? My ... Preciousss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Actually db my IP address provides buggery all traceability - suppose I am an ntl cable modem customer, my IP address is dynamic and in their wisdom ntl force it to refresh every few hours (or whatever the timescale). There is nothing to say I'll get the same IP address again next time. Would my ISP (ntl in this case) maintain a log of who had what IP address at a specific point in time? They might, but that's rather alot of info to keep a hold of. moomin www.megabird.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Don't think that IP addresses are that reliable, or easily traced. Certainly if I posted from a "work" computer I reckon my IP address would be hidden ? I am still really confused by this. Why go to all this bother if the club is still liable ? ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not a Postman Pat Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 I have always assumed that the purpose of making it members only is deterrent. If they have pre-authorisation or verification procedures in place before logging you as a member, you then know that you can be tracked down if you post something inappropriate. I think the logic is therefore that members will want to avoid that, and will therefore be more careful. It will not stop the club being sued if something bad is posted, but it should reduce the careless posts. I assume Poopoo-san and his not quite black and white cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Ah, a glimmer of light has broken from the East, it is na(PP) ... think I will stop there. Think I can grasp that. As a club member during the * incident, I was obviously very interested in what was going on, BUT I didn't want to get the club (my club) into trouble. If a member somewhow brings the club crashing down, they have something to lose, whereas a non-member has little ? Therefore the member is going to be more circumspect ? Seems a bit harsh But I guess I can go with that. Edited by - Noger on 8 Apr 2004 10:46:45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 IP addresses assigned by ISP's are traceable. they have to keep a log of who and when with what. Your work ip address may well be hidden but you will leave an ip address and that can be traced back to you. Trust me I know!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Noger, I understand. IP addresses are not traceable. Your provider does have to maintain logs of who's using which IP at any time, but there are plenty of services out there which allow you to type a web address into a box on a page and you then appear to the (eg Blatchat) server to be using a different IP address to the one that you are actually using. If the issue is traceability, and the management would consider a two-tier membership, does anyone have any knowledge of accepting payments over the net to make things easier? Maybe the management could offer a reduced price for 'blatchat only' membership, this amount to be deducted (pro rata) if the 'BC member' decides to upgrade to a full membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Ah, OK. I was going on what was written in the little "was that email from xxxxx's ISP" happening. Will keep schtum on the subject of IP addresses now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug phillips Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I have a fixed IP address,..................... that why my user name is Fred Smith. 😬 Yours Fred. Doug, Dohhhhhhhhhhhh 😬 Su77on Se7ens See our web site here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug phillips Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Please note that my spelling is still Cr@p. Doug, Su77on Se7ens See our web site here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not a Postman Pat Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 who can forget that famous saying, by your crap spelling shall ye be known ... and on the topic of members only, although I accept what I say , I believe it is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. In return for a relatively small reduction in risk, I think Blatchat will wither and die ☹️ Poopoo-san and his not quite black and white cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug phillips Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 throwing the baby out with the bathwater So are we an expert then 😳 😬 (bad joke I know) Doug, Su77on Se7ens See our web site here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Ahhh Tenpole Tudor .... now THERE was a band 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Ok - so IP does provide traceability (although in fact you might need to be the Police* to do that trace). Does anyone know why the "notice and take-down" procedure would not be appropriate legal defence? In this case, L7C would take-down any offending post as notified to them. It bolsters the defence that they cannot monitor everything that is going on, and are not deliberately publishing libellous content. The known down-side is that if they are not to have to take down every post requested to be taken down (how many would this be?), then they must make a judgement call on whether a post is libellous. To me, taking-down every post that is notified as libellous by a solicitor's letter would be better than banning all non-members, and leaving a gaping liability hole. * or any one of a bunch Government agencies - possibly including my local greengrocer, I'm not sure how far it goes - after the RIP Act. My ... Preciousss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Mav, how long are the logs retained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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