martinwhitcher Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 After much toying with the idea, I rang Dave Andrews, who kindly supplied my with 1no set of nice red vernier pulleys and a new cam belt! So after much checking of existing setting, I bravely followed Dave's excellent guide on his website. I have a 1600cc K-Series supersport EU3 engine with powerspeed exhaust. Now the factory setting was as follows : Inlet Cam: 18thou lift TDC Exhaust Cam: 69thou lift TDC Dave suggested setting: Inlet Cam: 70thou lift TDC (yes 52 thou out!!!) Exhaust Cam: 60thou lift TDC (slightly out) I have ended up with: Inlet: 67thou lift TDC Exhaust: 62thou lift TDC Results are very impressive!!! I managed to get out today to see/feel?? the results. The weather was umm.....glum, but not raining. I warmed the engine up and went for a blast, oh my god, mid range was fantastic compared to before, you do not find yourself waiting for the revs to build-up anymore...... 😬 Highly recommended to any K-Series engine without them, you will not regret it. Does beg the question, why aren't the caterhams with supersport converstions come with better timed pulleys?? Can't be put down to cost again can it? Martin MW 51 CAT Superlight No.171 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubbster Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Martin, thanks for posting this - seems to be a popular upgrade and I suspect it'll soon be on my 'to do' list. Question though - how easy is it to do, I have never tampered like this before? See some photo's of my Roadsport build here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelico Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 I have read about this a lot in Blatchat too. If it is worth doing for a humble 1.4k then I am very tempted too, but very nervous. Anyone fancy doing a masterclass ? L811 VTR BRG/Yellow SuperSport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englishmaninwales Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 On my list too. I think we need to buy a job lot from somebody...... Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Had similar settings to you pre DVA fettling earlier in the year Martin. Linked with a 52mm tb the results were fantastic. Glad you are happy with the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahatma Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Couldn't agree more .... a very worthwhile addition to any non-standard cams (which includes the supersport kit). A must, in my opinion. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Bulk buy would be a smashing idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheds Moderator Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Bulk buy yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Bulk buy on Dial test indicators too ??? Lotus 7 Club Speed Champion 2003 South Wales Area Organiser C7 TOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahatma Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 I'd be interested in some dial gauges ... I have to borrow them from work. Would also be worth getting some proper brackets made up too, to mount them to the head. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulyb Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 I'll join up for the dial gauges too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahatma Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Looks like we need someone with the experience of bulk buys and good contacts to organise this then. Any volunteers ?? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilyhands Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Dial gauges are best bought from J &L Industrial supply (0800 58 00 58), they regularly have cut price offers on digital and analogue gauges (digital for the valve lift, analogue to establish TDC). I have a pattern for the gauge brackets which I could make available for those that wish to make their own. I have organised many bulk buys in the past but now I am a commercial enterprise that would not be wise. I'm happy to advise on possible vendors. Oily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Could I have a copy of the pattern please . david.jackson@petersfood.com ta Lotus 7 Club Speed Champion 2003 South Wales Area Organiser C7 TOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drB Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 does anyone know what sort of price the dial guages (and any other tools?) might be? definitely up for the challenge of fitting it myself but by the time you add in the cost of buying everything + tools + skin off knuckles it might just be easier to take it to a garage.... ...although i do enjoy taking the skin off my knuckles 😬 my first blat here ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Jones Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Dave, Dial gauge bracket pattern for me too please Thanks Chris chrisj@absolutech.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAUL MARRIOTT Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Dave, I was going to ask you where you got the Brackets from, could you send me the pattern as well please. Paul M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Dave, If you can fire details over to me I'll look at organising the bulk buy. It will be a straight forward, one model option (for the guages) so as not to make it difficult to arrange. Suppose I need to talk you you about the Verniers too Dave. Cheers Martin bulkbuy@mavmobile.freeserve.co.uk Edited by - mav on 31 Dec 2003 12:31:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Oily - is accurately timing the standard cams using verniers on a 1.8 EU3 K-Series also worth doing? I assume that the gain will be mainly in efficiency, rather than a substantial jump in performance. Tony BRG Summertime Brooklands SV 😬 It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. (Antoine de Saint-Exupery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Tony - you have the X-power 140 1.8 K yes? I think this is based on the old supersport kit with a different plenum and TB. If so it would probably make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Yup. Goody 😬 I wonder how much? BRG Summertime Brooklands SV 😬 It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. (Antoine de Saint-Exupery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 About £150 ish for the verniers IIRC Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I was thinking about performance, but 150's not too bad 😬 BRG Summertime Brooklands SV 😬 It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. (Antoine de Saint-Exupery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted January 1, 2004 Leadership Team Share Posted January 1, 2004 Dave - please could you send me a pattern for the brackets also? I can easily get a load made up if there's enough interest? Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 Would this be of any benefit to a standard 1.6 K engine? Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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