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How critical is the exhaust system? Perhaps more accurately asked, how inadequate (if indeed it is at all) is the Caterham 4:1 Vx competition exhaust and does anybody have any experience of the SBD setup?

 

P.S. If Roger S is reading this, I can see you smirking from here!!!! smile.gif

 

Alex

 

Edited by - Alex Wong on 6 Mar 2001 11:14:09

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It depends what you mean by 'critical'. A well-specified 4-2-1 will give you more mid-range than a 4-1 at little or no cost to the top end.

 

I'm still using the standard Caterham 4-1 competition exhaust on my 230+bhp K-series, but a recent day on the rollers playing with various pipe lengths & configurations showed that almost any 4-2-1 configuration would beat it by up to 15lbft in the mid-range with an almost insignificantly small loss at the top end.

 

The main problem on a Caterham is finding room for enough primary & secondary length and still being able to get a reasonable length silencer in. Arnie's bonnet-exiting setup appears to do this, although I don't know how it would get on at increasingly noise-sensitive venues?

 

Mike

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I agree with Mike on this. Noise levels on my car seem to be induction.

 

Static levels are OK, Driveby's are horrendous if the microphone is on the inlet side of the car.

 

 

 

Arnie Webb

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Alex - to get the best out of it you'd want to get the map tweaked to suit the exhaust. We found some (but not all) 4-2-1 configurations where with the 4-1 map the engine wouldn't take full throttle, although these were unusual configurations. The relatively standard 4-2-1 we tried ran fine and really smoothed out the torque curve nicely compared to the 4-1, but I'm sure it would still have benefitted from some map-tweaking to optimise for it.

 

Mike

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Great for bacon sarnies as well. Many breakfasts have been served from my manifold over the years....

 

Fried eggs are a little more difficult.

 

Just have to remember to put the Mazola on the exhaust and the SynerG in the dry sump tank.....

 

Arnie Webb

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Alex,

Have got SBD( BTB Exhausts )set up with primary pipes exiting in standard position. The primary pipes do all fit in under the bonnet. Noise doesn't appear to be problem, have been told it is quiet enough for Goodwood where the required levels are low. Only notice the noise when the loud pedal is buried in the carpet!

 

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Nick - I'd get it tested before you go to Goodwood. A fellow competitor has an SBD 1.6 K-series with their manifold and carbon can, he turned up for a sprint and Goodwood and was sent home after one practice lap. Failed the static test but they let him practice anyway and then sent him away. Much noisier than my standard Caterham 5" job.

 

Mike

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Mike,

So you still use the Caterham 5" silencer for your car and it is adequate? Is the 6" box likely to give any significant sound deadening improvement over the 5" ?

 

The silencer on my Vx XE, about 200 bhp, is the 5" item, but has had a hard life and the contents have,I fear, burnt out. Time for a replacement....

 

Having looked at the options, I feel that the Caterham unit is probably the best choice, but what size to go for? I presume that the boxes are all universal fit on the Caterham side exit 'race' manifolds?

 

Sorry for hijacking Alex's thread, but I suppose the is some link!

 

Any comments please, anyone?

 

Andrew.

 

Edited by - Andrew Russell on 7 Mar 2001 08:52:22

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Andrew - I used the 5" box in '98 and '99 and it was adequate. It probably isn't any more. I've got a 6" repackable aluminium can now which is considerably quieter.

 

I don't know if the 5" & 6" Caterham cans are the same pattern fit - the 6" ones I've seen on the SLRs only fit with the 4-2-1 manifold, but best to check with them as to what they really have to offer.

 

Mike

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I had borrowed a new 4-2-1 setup from Mick Smith, which was the winner on the day. Can't afford to get one of those made up at the moment. I also got some cheapy 2-1 collectors made up to convert my existing manifold into a 4-2-1 (using the existing primaries) for the purposes of the experiment. To stick it on the car I'd need a shorter exhaust can. I'll be sticking with the 4-1 until such time as I can afford to do otherwise.

 

Mike

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I was thinking that there seems to be a lot of heresay, pubtalk and general misinformation on performance of various exhaust manifolds for the K and I guess it would be good for all users if some real data was posted on this subject. Of course there is always room for improvement but a 15lb improvement in torque sounds fantastic for a 1700. I bet there are many subscribers that could benefit if the general dimensions of the various manifolds and performance comparisons were available. Sounds like Mikes day was worthwhile.
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Alex

The exhaust ran for a bit with the standard injection(Vauxhall 2L engine by the way) and there was a difference in mid to high end performance. This was comparred to the Caterham 4-1 system previously fitted. This was emphasised more when we fitted the throttle-body kit.

As for noise the SPD set-up is quieter than Caterham's but that is only speaking from the passenger seat.

 

Nick

 

 

Edited by - Nick Pargiter on 8 Mar 2001 11:59:30

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