FH Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 I'm surprised no-one has already posted this disburbing news ☹️ From Sunday Times Goodbye speed cameras, hello a spy in every car Robert Winnett and Dipesh Gadher EVEN George Orwell would have choked. Government officials are drawing up plans to fit all cars in Britain with a personalised microchip so that rule-breaking motorists can be prosecuted by computer. Dubbed the "Spy in the Dashboard" and "the Informer" the chip will automatically report a wide range of offences including speeding, road tax evasion and illegal parking. The first you will know about it is when a summons or a fine lands on your doormat. The plan, which is being devised by the government, police and other enforcement agencies, would see all private cars monitored by roadside sensors wherever they travelled. Police working on the "car-tagging" scheme say it would also help to slash car theft and even drug smuggling. The "Big Brother" scheme, outlined in documents shown to The Sunday Times and separate from the various congestion charging schemes being tested, has outraged civil liberties groups who claim the electronic vehicle identification (EVI) programme is draconian and an infringement of human rights. Even those less inclined to worry about Big Brother are likely to take offence. Tony Blackburn, the radio DJ and car buff, said: "What are they going to do next? Start putting chips in people to make sure we are eating properly?" The Department for Transport (DfT) is co-ordinating the project, the main impetus for which appears to have come from the police and the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency. The first part of an initial feasibility study, an 85-page document drafted by the Association of Chief Police Officers, is already complete and lists 47 possible applications for EVI. Written by Superintendent Jim Hammond, head of Sussex traffic police, it acknowledges "Big Brother concerns" but sets out the benefits. Stolen cars could quickly be traced and uninsured drivers would automatically be identified. It also notes that cars driven by terrorist suspects or drug smugglers could be monitored even in Europe if, as officials in Brussels envisage, EVI is introduced across the European Union. The DfT has hired management consultants to co-ordinate the development of the system, which it is thought could become operational by 2007. New vehicles could have identification chips, containing unique driver details, embedded in their chassis, while older vehicles could have "tagged" numberplates installed when they had an MoT test. The existing network of roadside sensors, set up by traffic-monitoring companies and the Highways Agency, would require minimal modification to be used for EVI tracking. The government is likely to face opposition from motoring groups. "We need to have an open discussion about what this technology is being used for, who is being tracked and for what purpose, and what could be the hidden agenda," said Bert Morris, deputy director of the AA Motoring Trust. Al Clarke, a spokesman for the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, said: "It is a case of whether society wants to accept it. We support speed cameras as a means of deterrence but not installing a fruit machine for the Inland Revenue or Customs in every car." The DfT confirmed that EVI was being considered. Liberty, the civil rights organisation, said: "This could turn every driver into a potential suspect." It warned that motorists' details held on a central computer could form the basis of a "stalkers' charter" if accessed by hackers. ☹️ ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 *mad* *mad*4rse 🙆🏻 bu33er ☹️ ☹️ scum 🙆🏻 🙆🏻 Steve B Faster than the Speed of Dark Join us on the USA 2005 tour......HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyMiller Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 No ☹️no *eek*no *mad*no ☹️no ❗ Windy Red and Black 1.8K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La vache espagnole Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Noooooooooooooooo ❗ ❗ ❗ ❗ ❗ 🙆🏻 This doesn't bear thinking about. I'm going back to my daydream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewenm Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 It's not going to be retro-fitted to my classic car 69500 miles and counting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 i'm doing some research, and this can be done with a single unpowered chip technology known as RFID. RFID is being adopted for things that are causing Civil Liberty groups all over the world to scream. they are useful for a number of things, and frightening for other things. anyone that has a pet ID tag, your critter has an RFID chip subcutaneously installed. Steve B Faster than the Speed of Dark Join us on the USA 2005 tour......HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachael Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 ☹️ it just makes me despair...still I suppose when they do it and people stop speeding, yet the number of accidents doesn't go down, they might finally realise that speed doesn't kill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meldrew Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 The idiocy of this is that it's just another outlet for criminality. There'll be a market for doctored chips, boxes etc and for means of avoiding whatever paraphenalia the authorities put in place to ensure that such a chip is fitted. All it will do is give crims another opportunity to make money and flout the law while the honest are penalised. See prohibition, ID cards, etc etc for details. Utter 🙆🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 sounds like we moving " " as a society to automotive "Gattica" *mad* Steve B Faster than the Speed of Dark Join us on the USA 2005 tour......HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave hard Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 so all these drug smugglers and criminals are going to hand over their cars to get chips fitted are they *confused*and inform the police of their occupation. yet again, law abiding citizens will queue up and get shafted ☹️ and the criminals will just ignore the law, as they do already and as for the possibility of being to used to counter illegal parking.... Caterham 21 VHPD - one of the few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 the cars can be chipped whilst a MoT is performed and you'd never know it. unless you have a RFID transciever you never will. Even if you do, the infrastructure to implement this would cripple this country financially. of course, given the current gubment directions to create more (manager) jobs, it would put more folks to work. 🙆🏻 think of this as an electronic bar code. that's what a RFID chip is. we are the BORG, you will be assimilated *mad* *mad* *thumbdown* ❗ Steve B Faster than the Speed of Dark Join us on the USA 2005 tour......HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 its been menioned before... Anyway - surely having them fit the device to my car without my permission would be illegal. and in a seven it might easily fall off.... HOOPY R706KGU Hoopylight R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachael Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 ah yes, but how many criminal type people actually go and get an MOT? ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FH Posted August 27, 2003 Author Share Posted August 27, 2003 Hoops, I'm Just 'doing my bit' for those who don't get the Sunday Tomes ..... and another snippet.... "Safety signs too dangerous to erect" "Last March, the villagers of Childswickham, near Broadway in the Cotswolds, were overjoyed to hear that, after years of campaigning, something was at last to be done about the heavy lorries which hurtle along the country lane through their village, using it as a "dangerous and totally inappropriate" short cut between the A44 and the A46. Geoff Cox of Worcestershire county council told them that signs imposing a weight restriction would be in place by early June. On July 16, Mr Cox wrote again to say that, under "new safety regulations", the Highways Agency was unable to accept the signs unless ... ... and this is the best bit.... .... crash barriers were erected "to prevent vehicles colliding with the posts that have to support the signs". The £10,000 cost of these - a quarter of his annual budget - would make the signs too expensive. Thus, in the name of safety, villagers' lives continue to be endangered. Peter Luff, the local MP asks "How crazy does the world have to get before someone calls a halt to all this lunacy?" The short answer, alas, is that officials will continue to behave like this until Mr Luff and our other elected politicians develop the collective will to call them to heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachael Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 *mad* *mad* why do we continue to elect these idiots...still I suppose the alternative isn't any better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FH Posted August 27, 2003 Author Share Posted August 27, 2003 Bring back William Hague then He may be bald but at least he was born the right side of Watford Gap 😬 and he did win "the most honest politician" thingy on Radio 2 a while ago.... I was told about that btw, before any of you make rood comments... 😳 I'm more of a 4person meself .... Ah thank you my man. This flak jacket will fit nicely FH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meldrew Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 I say "vote for Meldrew - he's a cantankerous git but at least you know where you are with him". I'm going into politics as a Surrey Nationalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachael Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 What's wrong with Radio 2? Rach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FH Posted August 27, 2003 Author Share Posted August 27, 2003 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper nut Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 At least if they fit theses thingy's there will be less traffic as no one will have a license 🙆🏻 🙆🏻 You're only suppose to blow the blo*dy doors off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 vote for the shedders collective ❗ (FH - i think i saw a thing in autocar last year about a similar system. didn't mean to imply that I was bored with you repeating the story.) HOOPY R706KGU Hoopylight R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 can we add The Terminator to the team 🤔 he has access to weapons of mass distinction that could be of help. or/and the folks with shedloads of money to help out Steve B Faster than the Speed of Dark Join us on the USA 2005 tour......HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Are you SURE that he has WMD 🤔 HOOPY R706KGU Hoopylight R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 hoopy reading problem today 🤔 weapons of mass distinction i said Steve B Faster than the Speed of Dark Join us on the USA 2005 tour......HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 I saw it said distinction - but didn't have a clue what you were on about so said it anyway. also WMD COULD mean WMDistinction... HOOPY R706KGU Hoopylight R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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