Red SLR Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 I am trying to get hold of the Lumenintion DTH TB kit. I got this E-mail from QED. he only reservation I would have is that the flywheel on the 1600 supersport engine sometimes has the same arrangement of crank sensor triggerring teeth as the 1400 flywheel. If this is the case then the Lumenition system cannot be used without changing the flywheel (although the DTA system can still be used). To check which flywheel you have you will need to count the triggerring teeth. There will either be two teeth missing from 36, one on either side of the flywheel, or 4 teeth missing with the configuration, three teeth then a gap followed by 13 teeth then a gap followed by 2 teeth then a gap followed by 14 teeth then a gap. If your flywheel has the second of these configurations then you can use the Lumenition system. Can anybody tell me if my 1600 Superlight has the second config? I have a lightened fly wheel. Thanks Simon. X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 13, 2001 Author Share Posted February 13, 2001 It seems there is some confusion between the 1.4 and the 1.6. Has anybody ever counted the timing teeth on the Caterham Lightened Fly Wheel? Has it got 4 teeth missing or 2? Simon. X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 4. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS CLARK Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Definitely four! Why luminition ? It's an expensive way to go as the only difference between std. Jenvey DTH TB's and the re badged Luminition ones is that a) they are coloured red & b) they cost more. The ignition unit badged as Luminition is actually a GEMS unit (again more expensive). All 'K' powered Caterhams (1.4/1.6/1.8) use the 1.4 type flywheel! Yes, I am learning Mike!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted February 13, 2001 Leadership Team Share Posted February 13, 2001 Chris, doesn't that conflict with Simon's original posting? I understand that Jenvey units are currently on back order with QED and they will be unable to supply for 2 - 3 of months (nb. 2nd hand info, not direct from QED).There is apparently plenty of stock of the Luminition items therefore some people will pay more to be on the road for the spring? Simon - the red will clash superbly with your yellow superlight - rhubarb & custard comes to mind. Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 13, 2001 Author Share Posted February 13, 2001 THe Lumenition is cheaper than the DTA and GEMS, so I dont know what is going on here. Chris You say all the k's use 1.4 type flys, but mine has a lightened one... is that also a 1.4 type - if so is it 2 tooth or 4 toot? Stu - I dont care just so long as it works and the car goes faster! If that fails I had better get and buy some red paint. wink.gif X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Ranson Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Can anybody tell me if my 1600 Superlight has the second config? I would be very surprised if it didn't. But why don't you count them? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murph7355 Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Red throttle bodies make you go faster, a well known fact. They also look superb in the engine bay of a yellow car, see. Personally, I think you may end up being better off buying all the bits separately. An Emerald ECU, Jenvey DTH TB's, pair of Piper cams etc. will cost no more than the "kits" supplied, and will probably be less. But you get the chance to tailor the installation more and (here's the big plus) there's tons of experience on line and more importantly free maps for the ECU! I went with an MBE ECU and it was a pain to set up (had it done for me and even they had hassle) as there were no decent maps to use as a start point. Of course the down side (as Chris is unfortunately finding) is that kit isn't always available when you want it, but I suspect this is always going to be true of bits that aren't what you could call mainstream...my upgrades took an absolute eternity, and this was partly to blame! Whichever way you go though, the results will definitely be worth it. The sound of the induction at full tilt alone is fantastic! C7 AJM Edited by - Andy Murphy on 14 Feb 2001 09:38:16 Edited by - Andy Murphy on 14 Feb 2001 09:39:47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 Thanks Andy. X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 Paul Because I currently store my 7 elsewhere away from home. Simon. X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Ranson Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Surely you have occasional access rights? Assume it's 4 missing 'teeth'. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 Its mother has custody [;}]. I will check the teeth over the weekend. Simon. X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 15, 2001 Author Share Posted February 15, 2001 QED can get the kit to me in 4 weeks. But they will "confirm" when they recieve my order. They gave me the following prices.... does anybody know anywhere that does any of it cheaper, as I am not buying a full kit I can miss out bits and bobs. Lumenition ECU and comms package 765.00 Direct to Head throttle bodies 425.00 Tapered spacers and mounting studs 58.00 45mm air trumpets - 90mm length 60.00 -OR- 45mm air trumpets - 40mm length 44.00 -6 hose end finishers, fuel rail fittings and 0.5m length of aeroquip hose 28.20 Fuel pressure regulator 45.00 Single cable throttle linkage with brackets and spacers for D2H bodies 82.50 Also which trumpets should I go for? Thanks Simon. X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted February 15, 2001 Share Posted February 15, 2001 With a bit of cunning you can reuse the Rover fuel rail and pressure regulator. You'll need to make up a couple of brackets for the rail and space the air filter backplate off the bodies, but I see you've got some spacers in the list anyway. The DTH bodies are quite short so I'd say you want at least 90mm strumpets. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted February 15, 2001 Share Posted February 15, 2001 PS - is that 765+VAT for the ECU? Far canal! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 15, 2001 Author Share Posted February 15, 2001 Mike the ECU is about £550 I think (without vat) then I will need the comms cable and software which is abother £200 ish. So the ECU and Comms kit is £898. inc VAT X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted February 15, 2001 Share Posted February 15, 2001 Jesus H. Christ on a bike, they're still pulling that scam are they. Before I bought my GEMS ECU I spoke to GEMS and asked questions like "Does the software come with it?" and "Will it run distributorless?". Answers were "yes" and "yes". "Should I buy it from you or should I go to a dealer?". Answer was that they didn't really care but it would be gracious of me to buy from a dealer if I was going to take it to that dealer for mapping, so I bought it from Southern Carbs. It turned up with no software or cable. Spoke to GEMS "Oh you only get the software thrown in if you buy direct from us". Oh great. Had a big row with them, no joy at all. So I had to pay them the extra (over 100quid) for the software. Then found it wouldn't work dizzyless either - and they charged me another 3 figure sum to add that functionality. B******ds. Or more specifically b*****d Managing Director, the techie guys there were fine to deal with. I believe that the Emerald M3DK is 600ukp all inclusive (VAT, software, cable etc) although there is a bit of a wait while they gear up for volume production. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS CLARK Posted February 15, 2001 Share Posted February 15, 2001 Well, I spent two hours today at GEMS looking over their shoulders etc. Have been to Emerald 3 times in as many weeks and that is V. slow in terms of the new, improved, upgraded etc etc. Patience really is the name of the game (& 'dosh'!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 15, 2001 Author Share Posted February 15, 2001 Is the M3DK plug n play with the existing rover loom? X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted February 16, 2001 Share Posted February 16, 2001 Yes. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red SLR Posted February 16, 2001 Author Share Posted February 16, 2001 Great, I think I will go for that. Thanks Simon. X777CAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS CLARK Posted February 16, 2001 Share Posted February 16, 2001 Simon. Expect a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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