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just added LED rear lights and ALL 4 lights blink instead of one side...


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I've just added the Caterham LEDs, and as the title suggest, turning on an indicator causes that side's lights to blink and also the opposite side's. the correct side seems to be brighter on the front, so switching left and right you get a brighter ring on my leds.

I have an LED blinker relay.

someone suggested adding diodes????? I don't really know what that means.

I reconnected the old lights and everything worked again. if I remove one set of lights, it seems to have the same effect with all lights blinking.

 

any ideas?

 

J

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I did try and look for stuff on here. thanks Jonathan.

am I right in thinking that pulling the bulb and replacing it with an LED would fix this?

otherwise people are saying the JAL relay will fix it ( I bought the same relay, just not from JAL) or that adding diodes would fix this. or maybe just replacing the whole thing with a LED..... :shrug:

thanks loads

J

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OK. solved.

removing the incandescent telltale resulted in the indicators working perfectly, just without the telltale. with the telltale every led blinked.

I replaced the telltale with classic car LEDs with one of their LED telltales. I was told this wouldn't work and he was 95% correct. the rear wrong LED indicator had 1 led light up dimly, with the correct LED indicator blinking as normal.

I did buy a little 8 quid diode loom that I was told (and I do believe) would fix this problem perfectly, but the other LED is so dim that you won't see it in the day and at night it'll be drowned out by the brakes.

only problem now is the reverse light not working! (but I have no proof this was working before... multimeter time ahead.

thanks all!

J

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"This is an interesting predicament!   I had assumed that the JAL units were literally plug and play so it would be interesting to hear if anyone else has had similar issues"

"Just to point out these were caterham not JAL."

AIUI the electrical issues are:

1 LED indicators will require a suitable relay. On old Sevens this will usually require a change. This is a straight swap. 

2 If the Seven has a single telltale light in the dash the circuit will need to be changed if you fit LED indicators or an LED tellltale. This is where the diodes come in. Kits are available.

3 If the Seven has an earth-switched reverse light it will cause problems with the Caterham LED rear lights because they use a common earth for the different circuits. Several solutions are available for this.

Jonathan

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I plugged in the old light. it didn't work. I plugged the light into the fog lamp and it DID work. so it's the car's fault, not the LED kit. I'll see if I can find the cause of no reverse lamp, but then it isn't an MOT requirement so....

 

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  • 1 year later...

I have the same issue after LED install (JAL rears, JAL flasher & Classic Car LED fronts)

Mine is slightly different in that only both fronts flash when indicating left or right. The opposite side to the direction signalling is dimmer. Hazards OK. Telltale stopped altogether.

@Jonathan Kay the link above which seems to imply a fix, has stopped working!

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Thanks

There are two relevant fixes.

A single telltale lamp and changing the indicators to LEDs
When there is only one indicator telltale on the dash the circuit uses the indicators on the other side of the car as the route to earth. If you change the indicators to LEDs then the telltale won't work when it's asking the current to flow the wrong way through them. There's a simple solution using a couple of diodes and a new connection to earth. 

 

 

The Caterham LED rear light units and earth-switched reverse lights
Earth-switched reverse lights use the switch in the gearbox to provide the earth to complete the circuit, either through the body of the switch when it only has one terminal or through a terminal connected to earth when there are two terminals. But the new Caterham rear light unit has an always-earthed earth that is used by the rear tail, brake and fog lights, so an earth-switched reversing light circuit won't work. There's a simple solution using an additional relay. (And other solutions are available.)

 

Jonathan

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Just removed the telltale bulb (temporarily) and the indicators are working as expected. Its a very small bayonet type.

The bulb holder has two spade terminals so will be easy to make up an adaptor loom without chopping the chassis loom.

 

As an aside, the LED flasher unit seems very quiet more so than the incandescent flasher. Might be time to add a buzzer while I’m in there!

Any buzzer recommendations that will work with the LED upgrades?

 

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16 hours ago, Wrightpayne said:

Just removed the telltale bulb (temporarily) and the indicators are working as expected. Its a very small bayonet type.

The bulb holder has two spade terminals so will be easy to make up an adaptor loom without chopping the chassis loom.

 

As an aside, the LED flasher unit seems very quiet more so than the incandescent flasher. Might be time to add a buzzer while I’m in there!

Any buzzer recommendations that will work with the LED upgrades?

Well done. 

The new circuit will allow any buzzer or beeper to work, as the current will now only be going one way. 

Are you interested in timed or "self-cancelling" indicators"?

Jonathan

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