davestevenson Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I currently have the Caterham "push button" 4 point harnesses - probably the 2007 equiavalent of https://caterhamparts.co.uk/seatbelts-harnesses/1388-seatbelt-4-point-harness-black.htmlThey sit very wide on my wife and kids' shoulders, so I'm looking to swap out for the racing twist release 4 point harness in the hope that having the shoulder straps come to the middle rather than 6" apart will bring it in slightly on the shoulders too.I had previously been looking at the Titon harnesses, but they no longer make them. Caterham do https://caterhamparts.co.uk/seatbelts-harnesses/1193-seatbelt-4-point-quick-release-blue.html, but only appear to have the buckle strap one way round.So who should one go to to get a left and right handed pair of 4 point harnesses (preferably in blue)? And what is the current recommendation between pulling up vs pulling down to adjust? It's with cloth seats if it makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davestevenson Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 I'll add that I'm not racing (although keep intending to do a track day and never doing it), so FIA approval isn't a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (Linky)...but only appear to have the buckle strap one way round.I have those straps, but in black. IIRC from my build 11 years ago, I was able to undo the buckle and turn the mechanism round 180 deg. I wanted to do this so that the buckles were both on the inboard straps.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davestevenson Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Thanks John.Caterham do list the black version with both LH and RH variants, but not the blue ones (two guesses what colour my car is!). In typical Caterham fashion both the black ones are out of stock too.If they will fully undo to remount then that is great. Although doesn't it need a change to the buckle to retain the opposite waist strap, otherwise the release levers will be pointing in the opposite directions? The pictures of the black version don't help as they are identical! It looks like the 6 point release lever points sideways, which would be one (expensive) option.I guess the simplest thing is to drop Caterham a line and ask the question. I know from old threads that Titon were very accomodating in changing sides and pull up/down to tighten, but that's not much use now they don't make them :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted October 11, 2019 Area Representative Share Posted October 11, 2019 One certainly wants the buckles on the tunnel side. (I know that for racing the buckle will be on the crotch strap) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony P Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 << (I know that for racing the buckle will be on the crotch strap) >>Not necessarily... I've always found the most comfortable 6-point belt is the so-called "D-ring" type, which also gives you the option of wearing it as a 4-point if you wish (and the tails of the crutch straps have no buckles, just a loop, so they easily tuck out of the way). The 5/6-point type with the QR unit in the crutch strap (like an old Luke belt I had - from Caterham) won't let you do that.However, my car has the original style welded-on lugs for mounting the seats at the rear of the cockpit (but unused in my case - foamed-in moulded seat) which are ideal for attached the crutch straps to.QR buckles definitely on the inboard side, or they'll clatter over the cockpit sides at some point and damage the paintwork.I found "pull down to adjust" for the waist straps to be an absolute disaster of inconvenience. However, some here have expressed a preference for that arrangement (though I could, honestly, never work out why). That may vary depending on your particular seat, slots, cut-outs etc.I found all of my preferred features on Willans harnesses (from memory, I think they were ordered and made via James Whiting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davestevenson Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Thanks folks.My current harnesses are pull down to tighten and you end up with the buckle nearly under the seat squab :-/ Pull up should at least solve that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastair B Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 You can adjust the QR mechanism so that the lever still faces downwards and change over the buckle which undoes when twisting, thus allowing the buckle to be against the tunnel, which is definitely what you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Whatever you choose you need 6 points as you can easily submarine under a 4 point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team Shortshift Posted October 12, 2019 Leadership Team Share Posted October 12, 2019 The risk of submarining can be minimised with a 4-point by ensuring that the lower (lap) straps are fitted and tightened first, as low as possible across the pelvic area, before moving on to the shoulder straps. (I always use 6-point on track but often use them as 4-pointers, correctly adjusted, on road).You might want to try Luke/Corbeau as a source; I have just purchased a set which are Caterham specific with centre-mounted buckle strap and 'pull up to tighten' lap straps, quick release buckle (turn) in red, three inch width shoulder straps and two inch lap straps. All fixings (bolts, washers, shouldered collars, etc) were included. Mine were in black but I think they offer different colours. The contact there is Steve and he can be contacted on: steve@corbeau-seats.comJames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I spoke with Jo polley there, again she was very helpful in sorting the straps and bits I needed to swap the buckles over etcjo@corbeau-seats.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 James I cant see why you would not simply click in the extra crutch strap on every journey....? 6 points are very comfortable when correctly set, it takes possible 4 seconds to secure the additional strap and offers much more security for the occupants than the 4 point...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Also Titon from Prima Motorsport, they offer Caterham specific ones too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team Shortshift Posted October 12, 2019 Leadership Team Share Posted October 12, 2019 As far as I know, Titon aren't making or supplying belts anymore...James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 14, 2019 Member Share Posted October 14, 2019 From previous discussions:Yes, Titon have withdrawn.All of the major suppliers will make them the way round you want, even if that isn't advertised.My current Titon are pull down. In theory I'd prefer pull up but on my previous factory Lukes that placed the adjuster just behind the edge of the seat and it didn't move easily.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb_ms Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 How does a 6 point harness works with the traditional Caterham seat? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevehS3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 This is mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Richard Price Posted October 15, 2019 Area Representative Share Posted October 15, 2019 How does a 6 point harness works with the traditional Caterham seat?it’s common for the crotch straps to be fixed to the brackets at the bottom of the seat back bulkhead, and simply pass through the slot between the seat base and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Re #17:@StevehS3: How do you ensure that those crotch straps lie each side of, and well away from, your ...er... crown jewels? From your pic, it looks like they might pass over them.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 15, 2019 Member Share Posted October 15, 2019 It was Christmas Day in the harem...Moustache/ spreader bar.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevehS3 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 John, it doesn't seem to ever be close to the CJs, I don't even know the crotch strap is there when driving the car or under heavy braking. I think it's because the hole is slightly forwards at about the same place as the Tillets. I can't slide forward because of the side belts and shoulder belts which are held in place by the crotch strap. I like the buckle on the crotch strap too and feel properly held in with the 6-point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Re #21:Thanks. That's a relief.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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