anthonym Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Mondeo, just had new starter fitted - Duratec engine V6The solenoid is permanently "on", ignition off. - engine starts as soon as ignition set to "on".Battery disconnect is the only way to stop it. Any ideas? Well hacked off, only had it fitted because the working old one was old. If it ain't broke don't fix it.And of course it is going home time on a Friday.I have found the negative battery terminal has broken so will replace that - google suggests low voltage can be an issue (a.k.a K Click of Death), but with the ignition off?!!I've never seen such a thing. Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Sounds like the relay inside the starter is faulty (Or maybe that the +ve feed has been connected to the wrong termianl on the relay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim 123 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Faulty replacement starter? Could the relay be damaged if the pos and neg feeds had been incorrectly transposed and then refitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybee Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Well, you already know what's wrong. You can confirm it without connecting it electrically by checking for continuity across the main feed and earth lead. Personally I'd just fit the old (working ) one and return the new (rubbish) one though.Was it you that was asking about replacing the (working) starter and alternator on your Caterham recently? I seem to remember a thread from a few weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonym Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 No that wasn’t me on that occasion, has been though. Hoping daylight will allow sight of something I can fix but yes carp replacement deviceedit; so meter check tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosshogg Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Anthony, I replaced the starter on my jeep last year, a pig to get to. When I went to start it, the fuse blew for the ignition. Supplying company were little help, so out it came again. In this instance it was the terminal they added to make the jeep ignition feed plug and play, this was shorting against the terminal next to it. I had to remove The one from the old starter and all was well. Sounds like yours may not be that simple, but might be worth a look all the same, if your live is feeding back to the solenoid. Alastair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonym Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 Thanks Alastair , I found an air hose/tube disconnected so work quality IS suspect, just hoping Jim isn’t right because it sounds too plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonym Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 As ever thank you very much indeed for everyone's support and suggestions. MAY BE with all your encouragement I have found the problem. That black power lead viewed from high above looked disturbingly close to that terminal. So I scrawped by hand in there and pulled it away. Presto! no starter when battery connected. Turned key and car started normally. So in the morning I will replace the broken negative battery terminal with the one I have already bought to replace it because it looked feeble and what to do about that wire, cable really. I guess the cover has been chafed away in three weeks flat. I suppose some tape will do until she goes into Ford very soon for a new antenna, I'll add this as a task. Thank you again - any other comments welcome, starter running with car off was a first for me and quite disturbing. Anthony p.s. and so the work quality was suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonym Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 on closer inspection, I can see the polished effect of the chafing on the metal and the curve in the plastic cable cover where it has been breached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Not sure why the stud needs to be that long - could it be shortened to create a good gap to the cable?Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonym Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 I think the cable can be routed away from it. Or even use that one instead of the one in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 ... starter running with car off was a first for me...Funny you should say that. Some years ago I had similar symptoms with a Sierra, but only in very damp weather. I'd start the car, and the starter would remain engaged and turning as I moved off. At the same time, the ABS light and others would flash on the dash. The problem was down to corrosion around the solenoid connections making an electrical contact, but only when wet!Glad you've debugged your problem.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonym Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 Only when wet, sounds like a song. Here is my fix, bent cable 180 away from stud, attached R500 K loom cover and cable tied it in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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