dand Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 As per title - does a James Whiting Fireblade require a cat for the MOT or does it get through on visual test only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted April 21, 2018 Member Share Posted April 21, 2018 Have you got the date of first registration? MoT inspection before or after 20 May 2018?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dand Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Yes, it's a 2003 car.For the change in MOT rules, I don't think they could've caused more confusion if they'd tried. I think the changes at the end of May are to with classic cars (rolling 40 year exemption) and the proposals/discussion/consideration of the kit car rules won't come in until September.I plan to have it MOT'd in the next couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted April 22, 2018 Member Share Posted April 22, 2018 New regime from 20 May 2018.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted April 22, 2018 Member Share Posted April 22, 2018 The rules and procedures under the current regime are in Section 7 of the inspection manual.I'd go and have a cat with the tester before the inspection in case there's any disagreement in interpretation...Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elie boone Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 If it's on carbs then you are going to destroy the Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dand Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Friendly local MOT guy says these days he can't tell what's required until he's testing it and the computer tells him what to do next. Reading the MOT manual it seems that for Caterhams if the 6th digit of the VIN is a C or a K and the 10th a W or earlier it's OK. On mine the 6th is a K but the 10th is a 1. So I've no idea.And, yep, it's on carbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikeyboy Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 My 2003 Fireblade has never had a cat on it for the MOT or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Mackenzie Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I had a Westfield with a Fireblade engine and it was a visual inspection.There are a couple of key point in the current manual ( https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-inspection-manual-for-class-3-4-5-and-7-vehicles)- Q plated vehicles are to be treated as being first used before 1 August 1975 for emissions purposes. Therefor there is no emissions requirement. (see here: https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m4s07000301.htm)- "Regulations do not require vehicles to achieve CO or HC readings below the original capability of the engine when new. A very few vehicles may never have been able to meet the MOT limits. Where a vehicle owner claims that this is the case, and has sound supporting evidence (e.g. a letter from the vehicle manufacturer), the vehicle should be considered exempt from the CO and HC emission requirements.If the owner does not have sound supporting evidence, a Test Certificate should be refused." (see here: https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m4s07000304.htm ) The new manual has similar wording post 19th May on page 105.In the above you need proof of the engine age, I believe a quick search on the internet will help. I know that Honda UK have issued letters before. I'm assuming your blade engine is a 998 (I meant 893, oops!) which will be pre 1995 and therefor exempt from emissions. So in short currently you are exempt both pre and post 20th May, but you may need proof of your engine age for the tester.....and a copy of the appropriate page of the testing manual to help persuade the tester, they will also have access to the manual at the garage....I went through all this with another car.....I hope this helps.CheersIanP.S. I managed to get a ZX9R on carbs through a BET test with a CAT at an SVA Test, but that is another story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikeyboy Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Ian FYI our blade engines are the RRW type, available upto 1998, and are of 919cc capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dand Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 Thanks guys - that's very helpful.It just seems you need a PhD in MoTs to figure out the rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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