mcerbm Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Does anyone have any pics of their install, preferably someone with a caterham dry sump (bellhousing tank) and how it was plumbed in, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted January 7, 2018 Leadership Team Share Posted January 7, 2018 I've had Laminovas fitted in both the top radiator hose using a filter sandwich plate (same as for a wet sump install) and in the coolant bypass hose using the scavenge to tower oil feed.I currently don't have one fitted but if I was fitting one again, which I might do, I'd fit it in the top hose as per the wet sump install. The bell tank dry sump install is already limited without adding any further restriction into the oil return feed.Stu.Edited to add ... the size of Laminova needed for the two options is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcerbm Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 I had a mocal oil radiator which has been removed, The JIC fittings on the cooler (JIC 12) are larger than the laminova (JIC 8) so i'll need new hoses. The oil cooler was installed with a feed from the gold scavenge pump, through the radiator then back up into the dry sump bell housing tank connning tower input. So I'll be looking to put the laminova in the same position. Has anyone done this setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted January 7, 2018 Leadership Team Share Posted January 7, 2018 My choice would still be to use a sandwich plate and take it off the pressure pump circuit, even with the gold pump I’d avoid adding anything else between the sump and the tower.Are you intending to fit the Laminova in the coolant top hose or the bypass hose?Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shn7 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Previous car had it in the top hose as above. Stopped the problem of high on track oil temperatures which was the reason I fitted it. Never had any negative side effects in the time I had the car. Circa 15k miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcerbm Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 Stu, I was going to put it in the top radiator hose. I'm going to keep my old oil radiator until I try this configuration out on track. I predominantly like the idea of the quick oil heat up. Cooling wise I was only using 30% or so of the oil radiator with the rest blanked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonheli Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Hope these help, as you can see I also have an Apollo on my 220 BHP 7, and it is a Wet Sump 1.8 K SeriesWorks very well, Oil Temp never rises too high and warms up quickly!!Regards, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcerbm Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Thanks for the post above with pictures. It does, I have a slightly more obstructive entry into my radtec radiator that is on the far side and a bit more angled so I have ordered a 90 degree bend to cover that. Unfortunately in my caterham dry sump (bellhousing tank) setup I was hoping to re-use the oil radiator hoses but I cant get them to fit. Presume this is probably a phone call to think automotive and some bespoke hoses.Has anybody on hear used a laminova heat exchanger with a caterham dry sump setup that can share photos or explain how they plumbed in their setup.Stu, when you had it in the bypass hose did you use the original gold pump hoses? I'm pretty sure I have bespoke hoses to suit an oil radiator so it may not be a like for like comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Auton Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Following this with particular interest as have a Laminova on the bench and have been unable to clarify the best plumbing arrangement with a dry sump on a K series. My primary reason for fitting will be to reduce oil warm-up time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcerbm Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 Having seen a similar post on a Caterham FB group I might take a different route. One of the install pics had a much smaller unit in length which looks like a mocal C43-90 (90mm length) rather than the 180 I have and almost every other install seems to have.my reasoning is:1) my previous oil cooler seemed to work best with 75% blanked off so I need some but not much oil cooling2) The oil naturally wants to sit higher than the coolant. With less heat transfer the oil will probably sit with a higher gap above coolant temp than the 180mm version, which is good as my radtec ali rad is exceptionally good at cooling on track so I would want oil to sit higher than the coolant.3) it will still heat up the oil to a much higher temp while idling than my current setup. So it is still useful for getting the engine ready for sprints / hill climbs while Idiling 4) easier to package with my more awkward radiator top hose entry position / angle. Less weight, smaller increase of centre of gravity upwards (oil cooler sat under radiator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcerbm Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Could someone with a laminova fitted advise what temp the oil gets up to when:1) idiling and car fully warmed up, thermostat open fan about to kick in (state which thermostat temp)2) working the car harder, on track preferably, what temp does the oil sit above the coolant (if at all?)Presumably most have the 180mm laminova, if there is anyone with a 90mm laminova that would be very handy to know how it changes the values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mcerbm Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 This is how my installation ended up. I havent had the car out for a run yet so cant comment on temps. from idiling it seems to bring oil up to about 12-15 degrees behind coolant. I'm hoping it will allow the oil to overtake the coolant temps on track. I will also install a oil temp sender in the filter housing so I can data log temps. The guage reading which is taken form the tank seems to run a bit cooler than the readings I take from the hoses. I'm guessing there is a reasonable amoun of cooling that gets done to the dry sump bell housing tank just through air cooling while on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 That's a neat installation, not seen a smaller one before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcerbm Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 I still have the 180mm version. I am going to see how the smaller one performs first and can have the option of changing out if I need more oil cooling. I'm hoping this one will be the right balance and allow the oil temp to climb above the coolant temp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcerbm Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 I have had the car out on track and the laminova worked really well. Maybe takes a bit longer to heat the oil than I would like but at least it does it a lot quicker than it not being there. Cooling wise it works very well and allows the oil to sit in the 90-95C area which is exactly where I wanted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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