p.mole1 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I'm due a Mot and I don't have a CAT however according to my chassis number I only have to pass a visible smoke test. Has anyone had any problems with Mot stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Kay Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Have you chosen where to take it?I'd pop in and have a chat first.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.mole1 Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 Hi Jonathan,Probably a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumster Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Mine's a '93 car but with a 2010 Zetec engine. I've never had an issue with not having a cat as I always go armed with the emissions flowchart from the MOT manual. Basically emissions must be tested in accordance with the age of the vehicle and not it's components Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 mole - what date of first registration ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.mole1 Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Its 4/5/95 so following the dates it needs to pass an emissions test and requires a CAT however there does seem to be an amendment relating to chassis numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 My car is a 98 pre SVA and only ever has a visual inspection. It is kit built (as opposed to factory built).Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.mole1 Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Just been to the Mot station and tester seems to think it needs to pass an emissions test! I'm stuffed there is no way it will pass, it was borderline last year with the CAT. I took the VOSA chassis amendment paper work but he had never heard of any such exemption. Could be off the road for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Whereabouts are you? You just need to find a caterham friendly garage that understands them. I've taken mine to the same place for 16 years - they're always impressed by how well the handbrake works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 As Ian says, if yours was a kit built car then emissions do not apply, if it was factory built they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.mole1 Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Hi,I'm in Whitley Bay, I don't think there any many if any Caterham specialists this far north.I am waiting for a reply but I don't hold out much hope, if they say it need an emissions test there is not much I can do. I am sure I will be able to find someone, may take a bit of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.mole1 Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Mot tester has just got back to me, he says that is correct they have never come across this problem before- result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 The MOT station I use isnt a caterham specialist, however, they used to MOT all the cars for Classic Carriage before it morphed into the now defunct Caterham Midlands. They know sevens and their quirks.Sounds like you're sorted though, but as an alternative just find out where any locals take theirs.Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul McKenzie Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 See p2 of this http://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/542070/in-service-exhaust-emission-standards-for-road-vehicles-18th-edition.pdfKit cars and amateur built vehicles first used before 1 August 1998 are considered as first used before 1 August 1975 (Visual Test)For vehicles first used before 1 August 1975 a visual test will be applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Yes, that DVSA doc explains all. @p.mole1: For the sake of clarity (and to assist others), what is character #6 of your VIN?JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.mole1 Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 Its a bit of a mine field and I'm not surprised Mot testers have never heard of the Caterham exclusion. Character #6 is K.My car was not amateur build,it was a knock down kit built by a dealer.I am lucky as it has failed a few tests with the previous owner who was probably not aware of the exemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Well, "K" is very good news, and confirms a visual smoke test only for a 1995 car. (Presumably, character #10 of your VIN is "S".)I'm slightly puzzled by the K, however, as a complete knock-down kit would normally be C.But you win either way as both C and K for a 1995 car qualify for a visual smoke test only.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stridey Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 My 6th digit is a K too... supplied as a kit to a Caterham dealer who assembled it in 1995 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Geoff Brown Posted March 3, 2017 Area Representative Share Posted March 3, 2017 From the DVSA 'In Service Exhaust Emission Standards for Road Vehicle' 19th Edition:Caterham Cars"The VIN code consists of the 6th letter of the VIN, then engine code is the 8th & 9th digit. Where the 6th digit is 'C' or 'K' & the 10th digit (year code) letter W or before the vehicle concerned should be considered as 'amateur' built' & as such should receive a visual smoke test only."Taking this into account & the fact that emission tests for Sevens at the MoT are very 'grey' then the status of my Seven adds to the confusion:R400D built from kit allegedly by an 'amateur' (me) delivered Nov 2012 first registered April 2013 meets all the priorities of the VIN code as above.........???? 19th Edition is in consultatation but the Caterham figures are not changed, Find it here:https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/updating-in-service-exhaust-emission-standards-for-road-vehicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 My understanding is that, after 2000 (=Y), character #10 runs from 1 (2001) to 9 (2009) and then goes alpha (2010=A, and so on).If that's correct, your #10 should be "C"? But how C=2012 is distinguished from C=1982 isn't immediately obvious (apart from the first reg date).Btw, where did you find the 19th Edition? I've never found anything later than the 18th.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul McKenzie Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 The kit built thing will appear in section '3. Special Notes' of your V5C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumster Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I wonder when the above was implemented. The V5C for my '93 car just says 'declared new at first registration'. I've been to 4 different MOT stations over the years and only once had to explain the 'kit car' emissions ruling with the flowchart that I previously linked to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul McKenzie Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I had it on my first V5 in '96 and on the replacement EU jobbie, but in those days it was even less clear and I mot'd it brand new ........it passed, but that was pre-emissions regs By the way, we all played hell when the replacement EU V5C added 'Assembled from parts all of which may not be new', but to no avail .....Brexit rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby S Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Go and have a look on this:-www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/542070/in-service-exhaust-emission-standards-for-road-vehicles-18th-edition.pdfGives chapter and verse on requirements and also has details by vehicle.Caterham is on page 35 of the adobe reader format (p19 of section 1) and reads"The VIN Code consists of the 6th, 8th and 9th digit of the VIN number. Where the 10th digit of the VIN is equal to or less than 'W' and the 6th digit is 'C' or 'K', the vehicle concerned should be considered as 'amateur built' and as such should receive a visual smoke test only"I went armed with the relevant pages for the first MOT when I bought the car (it hadn't been MOT'd for 9 years) and although it was a 1992 Supersport, it was only registered in 1997 and is on P plates (long story - but in fact it had been a factory built car for Silverstone) and I was expecting a problem - in the end I didn't need the pages as the MOT station just did a smoke test.Good luckRegardsToby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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