Dorset7 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I've just had a bit of an unexpected windfall so my mind has turned to engine mods. What's the best route for a little more shove without compromising reliability or breaking the bank on a 1600 K-Series? I don't want to go crackers, just improve things a little. Would fitting a VVC inlet manifold give me any gains (I ask because I have access to a cheap one).Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mirylees Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Already!!? Must have been a slow run back from last sunday's Haynes museum breakfast meet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset7 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Well what can I say David!?I'm considering selling and "moving up" a bit - just don't mention it to Lindsey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbutnotslow Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I dont know what your driving experience is but I would always suggest that the first thing to improve is the nut that holds the wheel as opposed to the nut that holds the wheel on!Driver training would be my first recommendationsecond would be to make the car stop better - improve the braking systemIf you want to go faster make the car stop betterThird get the best tyres for your useForth have the suspension setup if you have adjustable spring platforms and last of all start thinking about improving the engine.The first 4 are reasonably inexpensive compared to the last oneWithout knowing the state of tune my first port of call would be to fit a better exhaust system. This can release 6 to 8 bhp on its own then have vernier cam sprockets fitted and the engine timed correctly another 4 to 6 bhpThat should give you plenty to be going on with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Richard Price Posted February 6, 2015 Area Representative Share Posted February 6, 2015 'don't really think the VVC plenum is an upgrade at all.If it's a standard 1600, then it's unlikely to benefit from verniers or a better exhaust.I'd say that the first step on an otherwise standard 1600, would ne to swap the cams, and if it's an EU3 car, then havibf ZandF reflash the ECU to suit the cams.If cams and ECU were more than you were thinking of, then I would not spend anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset7 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 I was thinking along the lines of cams and ECU, it seems a relatively cheap route to a little more go. Its been suggested Supersport cams is the way to go and they're pretty reasonable price wise. I'm not sure about the cost of an ECU flash though, any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mirylees Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 B. hell, I'll never keep up!! .... I'd better retire from our blats!! Great news on the PPI 'return'. and.... my lips are sealed :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilyhands Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 There are better cams than the supersports, whatever you fit, make sure they are timed correctly with verniers. Retiming the stock cams will yield nothing except a lightened wallet, similarly with the VVC Plenum, it is a spectacularly bad fit to the inlet ports creating a large (5-6mm) ledge at the top of the port which seriously inhibits flow, it's volume is also all wrong for a 1600 so it will be detrimental to both mid range torque and top end power.The best bang for your buck would be a set of cams (633 profile) timed properly with verniers. The stock ECU will run the engine well on these, but a further improvement can be had from a Z&F remap (around £300) and a modification to the throttle body to improve initial throttle response.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset7 Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Thanks Dave - I think that's the way forward. Which are the cams of choice, Piper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brown Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Check out DVA website (that's oily). He can supply what you need and info there on how to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset7 Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 It's the DVA website I've been looking at - the prices seem very reasonable and upfront, VAT included in published prices. Whilst I'm reasonably handy with a spanner it's not a job I'd want to tackle myself so a trip to MK would be on the cards for sure. Dave - would you be able to confirm cost of the 135BHP kit fitted to include the 52mm TB via BM?Time is NEVER on my side so could the job be done in a day if I arrive early doors and bring a good book!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilyhands Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 It's probably best to contact me direct for anything like that.For information, cam profiles available (Piper)1369 profile, 252 degrees, 9.5mm lift - TF135/PTP140/VVC exhaust cam, quite mild270 profile, 260 degrees, 10mm lift - reasonable street profile633 profile, 264 degrees, 10.2mm lift - hotter, SS equivalent, hottest on stock or remapped ECU1320 profile, 268 degrees, 10.4mm lift - hottest for a plenum, requires Emerald ECU Oily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Paul Richards Posted February 7, 2015 Area Representative Share Posted February 7, 2015 Prices look reasonable because they are way out of date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mankee Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Dave updated the prices in June 2013, so not too out of date. Much more reasonable than going direct to Piper etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset7 Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Nipped - booked in for 1st May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Lucky boy. I spoke to Dave about Kit 13 a couple of weeks ago and he quoted Septemberish! I suppose it's a bigger job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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