Matthew Willoughby Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Please see below the provisional calendar for 2015. It is possible that dates may change but it is unlikely that there will be many alterations.25th April Goodwood 3rd May Hethel 17th May Curborough 1 23rd/24th May Gurston 27th June Aintree 18th July Llandow 19th July Llys Y Fran 2nd August Harewood 9th August Loton Park 30th August Curborough 2 13th September Blyton 3rd/4th October Anglesey 1 & 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Always good to see new venues. Supprised at some and will miss Wiscombe (one of our better hills and always a good friendly meeting) and Epynt as its so close to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Matthew thanks for thisSad for Wiscombe was one of our better and more challenging venues. But I think for various reasons it has not had a large number of entrants over the years ho hum....Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliW Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Thanks Matthew. Good job.Oli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Causey Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Thanks Matthew. It's very helpful to have this published so early.Also very happy to see a couple of events a bit nearer to home for me!! I wonder if Mr Marsden will make the trip 'down south'??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Just been relooking at the calendar and have to say just 4 hill climbs out of 12 events is disapponting. I would go as far to say it makes the championship less inviting. I have always preferred the hills and at one time we had 7 in the calendar. No wiscombe, shelesly, or epynt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 David, I agree that it's a shame, but there is no point going to venues that don't attract a decent number of competitors. Having analysed the number of entries at each venue over several years Epynt and Wiscombe consistently had the lowest numbers. I don't agree that it makes the championship less inviting though. Novices tend to do sprints rather than hills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Matthew I wounder if its a class thing. Class 1 and 2 did not attend Wiscombewith only 4 attending. Class 5, and 6 had very close compatision with 0.01 splitting class 6. Class 5 was also close with 0.08 between 2nd and 3rd.Just having a quick look it seams class 2 have picked the venues on mass like Antree while not supporting other events. Is the championship venues therefore deturmained by what class 2 do or do not attend? If you believe in conspiracy theries, it looks as if class 2 all email each other and say what should we do this year. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 David - you know the answer, become the new competition secratry, and then you can hold sway over the venues we go to.. Think of all the other rules you could preside over...1. detailed engine inspection for anyone 1mph faster than you, at competitors costs2. anyone who disagrees with you is banned immediatly3. all competitors must wear a t-shirt with your face on, paying our respects to you, otherwise no points scored.4.competition sec gets unlimted runs, until he is the fastest. Or if that fails fall back to #15. Only events allowed in Wales or Yorkshire6. All red cars banned - (its an Anti manu thing...)heaven help us all Rob*blabla* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Steve, you will have to wait and see, times are tough 'Up North' you know, i am not sure i travel that far even on my holidays ! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Bowler Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 There were 3 of us in class 2 at Wiscombe this year. Same as class 4. More than 6 and 7. Most of class 2 live up north, which probably explains why they tend to prefer Aintree to Wiscombe. Geography, not conspiracy. As for secret agreements of where we will compete - I can barely understand most of them face to face, and last I heard they haven't got t'phones and inside toilets up there yet, never mind t'internet and t'email.And if competitors did agree which events to go to - so as to increase the class competition - is that a bad thing? Better than picking events based purely on where they think they might win a pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybee Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Can we have a 'like' button for the forum so I can press it repeatedly on post 9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpbransfield Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Bugger, outside lav is frozen again and the Whippet 'as thrown up in't front parlour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Banana Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 This spinting lark is a bit tense....just like Hamilton and Rosberg....do you also have a 90 year old grey haired dwarf running the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 The main difference between the 90 year greying old dwarf in F1 vs our 90 year old greying dwarf is that Bernie really is in charge whereas David really is not Actually thinking about it you never see Bernie and David in the same room do you rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I think you'll find that Class 2 actually attend more events than any other class. And there is no collusion in which events to enter, other than twisting Alan de Hat Bowler to venture north to Anglesey this year.It's a simple fact of life that if there arn't enough entries from us at a specific venue to provide a representative field then it is fine that it can be reviewed and replaced.so if anyone wants the not so popular venues to stay on the calendar they need to actually enter them when they are on........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Rob David - you know the answer, become the new competition secratry, and then you can hold sway over the venues we go to.. Think of all the other rules you could preside over...1. detailed engine inspection for anyone 1mph faster than you, at competitors costsBetter than putting my head in the sand and ignoring it. It should be the person who modifies the car to make sure it runs within the rules, so yes at competitors cost. 2. anyone who disagrees with you is banned immediatlyNo not the 1st time but may be the 2nd. 3. all competitors must wear a t-shirt with your face on, paying our respects to you, otherwise no points scored.No why would I want to give members nightmares.4.competition sec gets unlimted runs, until he is the fastest. Or if that fails fall back to #1Been going on for years, so no change there.5. Only events allowed in Wales or YorkshireNot sure I would want too many events in Yorkshire, seeing the mother in law once a year is just about spot on.6. All red cars banned - (its an Anti manu thing...)Yes lets go on estage further, shoot all red car owners*thumbup* what colours my Lad rover? Red, wheres the shot gun*redface* In past years there has been some discussion on droping events and adding new one. Antree was going to be dropped due to poor attendance IIR, but was agreed to be kept and had a big entry this year. Epynt I can understand but a national A hill, a proper hill climb its madness from where I sit. I do feel understand others feel diffrent and keeping a balance is difficult.I make no appology for my thoughts as I know I am not alone. David- See more at: http://www.lotus7.club/forum/club-speed-events/2015-speed-championship-provisional-calendar#sthash.sIVpL336.dpuf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Fox Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I dislike commenting because it implies criticism of people who are working hard to arrange the championship, this is not intended.The championship dates look nicely spread through the season.I also rarely agree with anything David (Nelson) posts :), but i will make an exception and agree that the demise of Epynt, Shelsley and Wiscombe are quite a loss.I think not long ago we had 15 rounds, this is down to 13 rounds over 11 weekends. As a shift worker, working 2 out of 4 weekends, it starts to look a bit difficult to see how 7 rounds can be fitted in. Looking forward I think we need a couple more rounds at least, even if that is at the expense of attendance numbers.As I said earlier, I make no criticism of anybody, just some thoughts for future years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliW Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I agree Nigel. Again, not a criticism as I know how difficult these things are to sort out. I would have all three that you mentioned on the calendar as well, if possible.Still, as I said earlier, well done to Matthew.I will likely be doing another championship next year as well in order to boost the number of hills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Gent's I think the complaint in previous years was that there were too many events at 15 , whilst wiscombe clashes with Blyton in september , I don't think Epynt would clash. Only 15 from us competed at Epynt this year, which is fairly typical from previous years. Whilst I could not do Epynt anyway next year i'm sure if a significant number of competitors i.e. more than 25, wanted to compete at Epynt i'm sure the Comp Secs would consider, however from past experience its doubtfull that number of competitors would want to compete at Epynt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Wiscombe has for whatever reason always struggled to get huge amounts of entries, maybe it is its location...maybe some are put off by the course (that reason is a major attraction for me)However we had I think around 20 competitors this year which is well up on the last time we went there in 2012. I wonder if competitors had known it was at risk of being removed from the calendar due to low numbers then maybe more would have made the effort to go back...I have nothing against Blyton, which I thourghly enjoyed in 2013 however my view is that I would always always try prioritise Wiscombe, whilst Blyton is always a maybe I will do if something is at stake...Maybe for future years we can have a discussion about returning to the hills more often, but I am worried that becuase we turn down the organisers we won't be invited back...Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notsohotcams140 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 When posting about the 2014 Provisional Calendar on 8th October 2013 Matt wrote: "Those that look particularly vulnerable are Epynt and Wiscombe so you must support those events if you want them to stay." This was the warning, and the increase in numbers seen at Wiscombe this season was probably down to this. The uptake wasn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Fair point :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 so the championship is deturmined by class 1 and 2. Class 1 and 2 had a very poor turn out. WiscombeClass 3 more at Wiscombe than at Llandow, Lys y fran, Loton and the same number as Gurston.Class 4 had the same number of compeditor (3) as were at Llandow, Lys y fran and Harewood. It had 1 more than at Blyton.Class 5 at Wiscombe had more than 50% of those registered for the championship. The same number as Curborough, Loton, 1 more than Gurston down, and 2 more than AngleseyClass 6 at Wiscombe although had no one who did the whole championship had the 2 who we fighting it out with 6 events each, with Rob winning overall with the 6 eventsClass 7 Wiscombe 100% turned up. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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