eric Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 New sleeved 1600 Ax Block, ali head with stage 3 inox valves, kent 234 cam, new nural pistons, new conrods, new hardened crankshaft,new double chain vernier pulley, new mechanical fuel pump and high pressure high flow oil pump. New caterham crankcase. New 5.8 kg steel flywheel, and Catherham sachs clutch mechanism and plate. All balanced and built by a experienced professional race motorist. Delivery included in a wooden box on engine stands price 13 800 euro ono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 my mail is eric@bonzai.fr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed White Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 *eek* Not trying to cast any doubt over the sale, but is that really what a crossflow to that spec makes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBreadhead Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 It might for the FF community. Got mine rebuilt for around 2k albeit a refreshed 1760cc on dcoe 40s making around 165 bhp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothercat Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 WoW! A 200bhp sigma could be obtained for around 1/2 the price. Think I cold go along way to replace my R500k engine for this sort of value Maybe there are lots of Ti internals *confused* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 then what would be the right price ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed White Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hi Eric, like anything, its worth what someone will pay for it. That rule works with engines, cars, houses, paintings etc. The sum of the bits, all new might add up to your figure. If you get it, well done. Not saying its wrong, I was just surprised, and it seems I wasn't alone. Try it on piston heads. As has been suggested, it might be perfect for classic formula ford, or a class of rally car? regards, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbot Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I think you should clarify that what is on offer is an engine not a car. Edited by - Abbot on 13 Dec 2013 09:01:01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted December 13, 2013 Area Representative Share Posted December 13, 2013 The price of (our type of) cars and, I suppose their components, is very different outside the UK and in the domestic market. As someone pointed out above, the Formula Ford racers may well want the Crossflow a lot. Aparently the new 711 blocks (made stateside) are very expensive. And this is an AX, you can not get these anymore. I'm sorry I can not help you directly on price Eric. Good luck with the sale. Edited by - Golf Juliet Tango on 13 Dec 2013 09:13:13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Thanks for your help. This is true that the classic cars like Kent engined Caterham are very cheap in UK compare with their price in France. The low price of the car kills the price of their components. However in new condition the Ax block, the O/E con rods and the crankshaft are very difficult to source . If I sale this engine, I am not sure I could find another one … The motorist who built this one will be certainly retired . He built the Hart engine of the last French Classic Hill Climb races Champion. and the xflow of the most of Historic Formula Ford winners…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbot Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Having my French Xflow in the garage, I am all for maintaing a high market price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative dikko Posted December 15, 2013 Area Representative Share Posted December 15, 2013 Full race spec Formula Ford type (Bold Engines is one) are £3-5K. If you look around you can find one in a car for that price. Used AX are available as are all the bits including steel crank (from Ford Comp Dept SkyFord at Hemel Hempstead). 13 800 is not a typo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Steel crank / rods can be obtained from Arrow, Farndon or IKE at various prices to suit, in different strokes and rods in several lengths and journal widths. Loads of piston options depending on using heron, semi or full chambered head, even DFV ones ! Dry sump 3 or 5 port front or side mount etc etc New grey iron blocks can be bought (Burtons) with almost the same strength as the older AX ones and will take 85mm according to the guy I spoke too. I've no doubt that OE parts suitable for historic racing etc are becoming rare now but good quality tuning parts for the engine to take it from 1600 to 2100cc are still there many with far better metallurgy and with finer tolerances than the upgrade parts of old were Sure eric must have made a typo here, even though it is a good spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 4 years ago, the price of a xflow was around 9500 £ from the 2 well known FF engine specialists. Some of my friends bought their engine from them. Without the aluminum head, 711 block …. now more expensive I think but not sure. The price includes the delivery and I can work on offers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 If you look at the price for a Caterham abroad from the UK, you'll find that this is not way out as someone suggests. Do a search on mobile.de, just mind that registering the car in other countries is more difficult than making it pass IVA x10! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 RJ, I don't doubt that for a complete car but Eric is just selling a bare engine, Eric FF engines are very labour intensive too as they are fully blue printed - trying to coax the last little pony out of what is in effect a stock Ford lump, they spend countless hours on R&D which is why they can work out more expensive than what can be termed standard tuning - porting cams etc etc. I've no doubt yours is a cracking engine, I too love the crossflow but I do think you might be limiting you potential UK sales market at the moment, hope you engine finds a good home soon, hopefully in a 7 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I know it's "just" an engine. However, if you are in a country where you can not change the engine without having to pay 180% tax of the value of the car and to have a lot of tests done, which will be even more expensive, this engine may be a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I realise France is fussy about putting cars onto French plates - Factory built standard set up etc but which counties charge that sort of tax? is that for straight forward swop or because the spec has changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Denmark is fussy about taxes. You can increase the power with up to 20%, thereafter it's tax agan - and unless you play games you can't get a refund for the "old" tax. The other issue is that you can't even swap a crossflow 150BHP for a similar power Zetec because you'd need to prove the cars crash test is not void. Even if you tune the standard engine - which you can do freely as long as you can prove the emissions - and you have to change the brakes or the gearbox you have to pay new tax. Anyway, this is Erics thread and it's regarding an engine he has for sale. If you think he's asking silly money I guess you can leave him with it. Eric, Good luck with the sale. I'd probably put it up on "racecarsdirect.com". Edited by - RJ on 16 Dec 2013 05:51:33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Eric, I guess I wasn't the only one who was not aware just how you get stitched up over in Denmark for taxes thanks for clarifying RJ, Might want to pop an add on here too car and classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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