AndrewGP Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I'm on the look out for a new starter as hot starting my car is becoming problematic. I'm inclined to just get the Brise one and be done with it but before I do any thoughts on this one here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stationary M25 Traveller Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Have you exhausted all the other possibilities in the equation first ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 18, 2013 Member Share Posted October 18, 2013 What SM25T said. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewGP Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 I must confess I haven't I thought it was a foregone conclusion it was the starter solenoid and therefore a new starter was required. Clearly I have some reading of the archives to do 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CageyH Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I suffered with a problem the wire going to the solenoid. It was too close to the exhaust and got cooked. I replaced the wire and things were ok after that. It's also worth noting that Sevenspeed doa similar starter for a similar price. Edited by - CageyH on 18 Oct 2013 22:12:34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stationary M25 Traveller Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Wiring .... large and small ..... connections ...... replace cables. Relay in MFRU ...... bypass with cheap external relay. Solenoid ..... easy to open up and clean/lubricate. Would hate you to spend a lot of money on a new starter and not find any difference. Edited by - SM25T on 18 Oct 2013 22:15:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revilla Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 ... and even if it is the starter solenoid that is shot, you can replace the solenoid rather than the whole starter, I think for example that Wood Auto do one for the standard Magneton starter for around £20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin duck dave Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 If you do end up deciding it is a starter you need I have fitted one of these and so far no problems even on restarts after track work and I have been very happy with it. Only point to consider is clearance on exhaust , body is bigger than magnetron type and with my exhaust I had to turn the body on the mounting plate which meant drilling new holes but other exhaust variants are fine to bolt straight on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 There was an article in the July issue of Low Flying detailing a mod to fix this problem. Don't touch the starter motor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 This thread is great timing for me. Yesterday at Silverstone, pottering around the circuit viewing, it wouldnt start. Not even a click. Mate poked the heat shield at it fired. Bad connection! Back at the paddock the same thing happened, so we decided to strip the heat shield off and investigate. The cause was the solenoid exciter (brown & red) wire that connects to the solenoid via a spade connector, had melted and what wire was left was heavily oxidised. Not current was getting to the solenoid. We bodged a fix using a flying lead which got me home. The problem is that with my the old pattern Magneti Marelli starter (K series, EU2) the solenoid is on the top of the starter, with my my long 4-1 primaries, there is so little space, the contact of the exiter cable is getting cremated. The insulation melted on the flylead contact on my way home. So, Im thinking of hopefully simply(!) swopping to the Magnetron starter, and putting the solenoid and it connect under the starter, well away from the primaries. Has anyone any experience of doing this? I cant see why it couldnt be done, and short of going to a Brise, seems the most sensible option. BTW - external relay mod, new battery, new battery leads & FIA key are all done. Im going to replace the whole length of the R-B cable and hopefully move the solenoid away from the heat to hopefully (!) gain reliable starting! But first I need to stop wiring burning/oxidising due to the heat from the primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stationary M25 Traveller Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 You need an SV !! Lots of room for air under the bonnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Helpful answers appreciated 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mankee Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Change the exhaust to a 4-2-1 SLR/VHPD system? Tonnes of room around the starter then! 😬 But anyway, you couldn't send me a picture of your starter could you please, Tom. I have no idea what starter I have, but it's bloody heavy and, thus far, has been completely reliable for the use I put it through, with no modifications to the starter wiring. I think we have the same sort of age cars. The Powerlite starters and alternators look pretty decent, but I have to keep telling myself that if it ain't broke, why fix it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Hi Mankee, Ill try and find a photo/ take one, but as far as identification of standard CC starters goes for the older K series goes, the Magnetti Marelli starter has the solenoid on top, and the later Magnettron, has it underneath. My problem is that the spade for the exciter contact is only 1-2cm from No 3 primary, and is simply melting insulation off the spade and wiring insulation, and the wiring is oxidising and going brittle. It seems so much more sensible to fit the Magentron starter and put the solenoid and all wiring beneath, and away from the primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CageyH Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I also wrapped my starter in one of these - here I can't remember paying that much though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 £43!! *eek* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted October 20, 2013 Leadership Team Share Posted October 20, 2013 Use a plumbers soldering mat ... they're a fiver in B&Q Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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