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submersible fuel pumps - how do they work ?


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Ignore the cigarette (it's a red herring *smile*)

There must be a time when there is an explosive mix of air and fuel in the tank - what about when we run out of fuel and the pump becomes exposed and starts sucking air ?

Why don't sparks from the pump, or the sender for that matter, cause problems ?

 

Peters link shows what spaks CAN do ......

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I'm still trying to understand the original question.

 

Can we limit the discussion to petrol, cars and pumps than are in the tank. In my very limited experience the fuel pump is fitted and wired from the outside of the tank. How common is it to have the wiring inside, and of those how common is it for the wiring not to be sealed?

 

Jonathan

 

PS: Lots more slightly-related red herrings available...

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How common is it to have the wiring inside, and of those how common is it for the wiring not to be sealed?

 

That is pretty much standard installation (or it was five years ago when I stopped playing with cars for a living) The best answer I could get from a Bosch lecturer was that a combustible vapour situation could not occur seems to work but I would never have come up with the idea *nono*.

 

Tony

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Quoting ECR: 
Ignore the cigarette (it's a red herring *smile*)

There must be a time when there is an explosive mix of air and fuel in the tank - what about when we run out of fuel and the pump becomes exposed and starts sucking air ?

Why don't sparks from the pump, or the sender for that matter, cause problems ?

 

well going back to basic question, The external connections, spades or whatever are too far apart for 12vPD to breakdown the insulation from petrol, There may be a tiny chance of a spark if one was loose but you would then need exactly the correct fuel vapour air mix around the pump which, by the very fact that no one has ever heard of a tank in a car exploding, obviously never happens.

I presume the motors are brushless so where would all these hypothetical sparks originate

the motor is in a can so any sparking there might be would be in a sealed or semi sealed environment so even if there was ignition of vapour in the semi sealed part of the pump it would not be catastrophic, bit like Kapok isolating Acetylene in bottles

 

but if you look around the web a lot of people have asked the same question and no one seems to have a truly definitive answer

 

Tim

 

Edited by - tbird on 19 Jun 2013 11:14:20

 

Edited by - tbird on 19 Jun 2013 17:03:03

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I don't know if the motor is brushless (higher cost and controller required apparently) but the fuel sender is a simple exposed coil with a wiper so I'd have thought that sparking was a possibility there ...

Anyway, thanks to all who have contributed. I now understand why 12v motors submerged in fuel don't short out and I guess I'll just have to accept that sparking is not a problem because ...it isn't

 

Thanks again

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taken from here

 

 

"Fuel passing across the fuel pump's armature is subjected to sparks and arcing; this sounds quite dangerous, but the absence of oxygen means that there will not be an explosion!"

 

I once rear ended a careless driver pulling out of a junction. His car was pushed over a timber post on the grass verge which ruptured their fuel tank. I can confirm there can be quite a large explosion when a spark and oxygen are introduced to petrol!

The flames were as high as the house of the garden the car ended up in *smokin*

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