paul jacobs Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 How much work and extra bits are required to fit a 2.0l Zetec into the engine bay of a standard or SV Seven which has previously had a K series in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_pank Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I wouldn't have thought there was 'much'. Presumably you can use the same mount-points. The most 'fun' you'll have will be wiring and plumbing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 No one should ever do that! Why throw a boat anchor in instead of a lightweight engine? 😔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetec Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Cos the boat anchor is made of real engine & not cheese 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Even cheese does quite well if not melted nor frozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted December 18, 2012 Leadership Team Share Posted December 18, 2012 Why increase the depreciation on a perfectly good car! Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 I have often wondered, what, apart from light weight, the K series has going for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnv Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Pop round and I'll show you 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elie boone Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 😳 i have to admit that i build an SV with a Pinto in it 😳 😳, lasted for 2 years, it now has a Duratec thank god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_pank Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Quoting Paul Jacobs: I have often wondered, what, apart from light weight, the K series has going for it? It's oversquare, plentiful, there are loads of parts-suppliers and they're tuneable to 230ish hp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Yes it may be all of those things, but so are other engines, and at least they are reliable! Yes I also suffered the dreaded HG problem and the dead starter click when I had one. People are going to say that all the problems are overcome now, but it is still happening and costing people a packet. I can't help but think that CC should have stuck with Ford [if they could, but not the dreaded Pinto or X/F CVH of course] Yes it is tuneable, but again at a price. I thought so when it was first announced and have seen nothing to change my mind. Edited by - Paul Jacobs on 19 Dec 2012 11:08:41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 It's oversquare, plentiful, there are loads of parts-suppliers and they're tuneable to 230ish hp Nope, in 1.8 form that makes that sort of power they are undersquare, 80mm bore with 89.3mm stroke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edzup Ezzer Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 You might like to read this essay on the K series to get a rather different (and positive) view of the K series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revilla Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Very interesting essay that, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted December 19, 2012 Leadership Team Share Posted December 19, 2012 Quoting Ezzer Ezzer: You might like to read this essay on the K series to get a rather different (and positive) view of the K series. Oh no not that old chestnut Now you've opened a big can of worms!!! Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumster Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Hmmm, as much as I love my Zetec (direct replacement for the x/flow) I'm not sure I'd install one in place of a K. Surely Duratec is the route to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 "Oh no not that old chestnut eek smiley Now you've opened a big can of worms!!!" Why not, it's Christmas after all. 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Team Shaun_E Posted December 20, 2012 Support Team Share Posted December 20, 2012 If you don't want a K then at stick a Duratec in there. Not much more work than adapting to fit a Zetec, is close to being as light as a K and has greater tuning potential than either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_pank Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Well, if we're going to deviate that far from the OP - then don't put in a zetec, put in a bike-engine. They're an order of magnitude lighter, more powerful, rev higher and cost less in tax 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 Order, order! There is no choice, Zetec or K. We all know that a Duratec is better but it isn't available on this thread, only a Zetec, so, c'mon, how easy [or difficult] is it to drop a Zetec into the hole left by a nice, but unreliable K series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesG Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Ok, let's forget the previous posts both positive and negative. I converted my car last year from XF on carbs, to K series on tb's. Assuming you're on injection, the wiring shouldn't be too much of a hassle to run tb's off an Emerald, just a bit of rerouting/lengthening of wires maybe. Similar with your fuel delivery and return pipes. Maybe need to add an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. Using my original 5 speed gearbox, my gearstick moved back 3 inches, so I'm guessing yours will move the same amount forward, you'll have to reposition your gearbox support bracket aswell. It's possible your engine mount holes will be there in the chassis, otherwise you may have to drill through for the passenger side one, I think the driver's side will possibly stay the same, although using a different bracket. Depending on which exhaust manifold you use, you could get away with enlarging your existing side panel hole, or maybe have one custom-made to suit said hole. You will need heavier-rate springs and dampers (my front end lifted 20mm on the xf Bilstein set-up once I'd got my unreliable piece of cheese settled in place) But don't forget to buy one of those retro BD camcovers, they are actually quite nice! Any help? 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 That's more like it, there's plenty there to find out about. I assume that if you had used a Zetec it may have been even easier? I understand, of course, that in reality, if the car is designed for a K, which has gone t1ts up, it is easyier to obtain another K and drop it in. 😬 My question was mostly theoretical and out of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumster Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Quoting Paul Jacobs: I assume that if you had used a Zetec it may have been even easier? That's correct as the Zetec uses the same bell housing as a x/flow, the same engine mounting points (albeit with different mounts, the exhaust exits through the same hole in the sideskin (although necessary to enlarge) and the carbs and/or TBs use the same hole in the bonnet. Basically a Zetec simply bolts in and away you go...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 But... The car in question is - or was - cheese-powered. Hence need for a new bellhousing etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molecular--Bob Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 If you have the short input shaft k gearbox then nothing will line up. The crossflow conversion parts all assume the long input shaft type 9 and use the spacer plate. This means custom mounts, exhaust manifold and bonnet cutouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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