PaulCo Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Unless i'm missing something obvious,it looks as though Scudo Stunners are no longer in List 1a of the 2012 MSA Blue Book. Is this because they are no longer produced, and if so, can we still run them, given that they were OK last year? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Bowler Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hope so. Mine are barely scrubbed in. Edited by - Alan Bowler on 30 Jan 2012 09:24:07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers1 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I will contact MSA for clarrity. I would point we always used to have reference in our own regs to tyres that were list 1a this year or last year..... If you see what I mean. Last year when submitting the regs we were told to remove that reference and we could only refer to MSA List 1a for 2011 - so this year = List 1 A 2012 So if they are no longer in the list we can not refer to previous lists. I hope its because they are no longer manufactured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulCo Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Thanks Simon. Fingers crossed Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers1 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hi Guys Bad News - and Good News. I am afraid Stunners are no longer permitted under List 1A (or in fact 1B). This is because the manufacturer has requested their removal from the list. (I guess this is because they are no longer made). There is no way around this decision - I asked. However Mark Durrant was chatting to James Kerr (experienced sprinter who he met at Harewood and competes at numerous venues including Loton Park and Anglesey). James switched to a Yokohama Advan Neova AD08 James competes in a 205GTi and has set a number of class records on these tyres and prefers them to Stunners. Looking at the sizes available I would suggest the 195/50R15 would be a suitable replacement for the Stunner on a Caterham 7 I have checked the Blue Book and they are listed under 1a. Sorry Chaps Nothing I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulCo Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Not the best news for some of us - certainly the value of Jon Ward's assets has taken a hit. We have been looking at the AD08 for the last half of 2011, and have spoken to a couple of competitors in other championships who use them, particularly one of the Westfield guys. The view seems to be that, although they give good mechanical grip, they have stiff sidewalls, and may suit heavier cars better. Certainly, they may require a reduction in negative camber, so they aren't a simple swap. Oh well, c'est la vie. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers1 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 They are also not Cheap . Mel would be looking at £69.05 + vat and shipping. As they are a road tyre your local dealer should be able to get you a better price as there won't be shipping costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Ward Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Great 😔 Andrew, if you are reading this, any chance you take the Stunners off and put the Maxxis back on That's assuming Maxxis are still on...MZ1, or MV1, or something (I can't check from here) Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers1 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Maxxis Maz 1 or Mav 1 - Only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Bowler Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 ☹️ Anyone got an old set of 6x13" wheels? (ideally with A539s on...) I spoke to Polley Motorsport sometime late last year - they also weren't sure AD08s were suitable for Caterhams given the very stiff sidewalls. AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willi eckerslike Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Well, that's made my day, stunners barely scrubbed in and ready to go, really disappointing news ☹️ Back to the drawing board and hoping SWMBO doesn't read the thread as this years budget is going to take a big hit even before the start of the season, hard to hide a new set of rubber!! May need a rethink. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Happy Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Stop messing around, join class 3 with proper tyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Ward Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Thanks Simon, looks like it’s back to the Maxxis then. That’ll teach me for trying to create a level playing field Much better than the Stunners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willi eckerslike Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 TM Sounds like a cunning plan!! Just need to dust off the 1b tyres Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 So looks like my choice to try the Falken's on 13" was better than jumping to Stunners 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 i have some brand new (unused) 235*13 kumhos in soft for anyone thinking of moving to tyres that actually grip 90 quid the pair rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I have some 215's used if your looking for some fronts £50 David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Pepper Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Hi Rob, yhm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Nick Chan Posted February 1, 2012 Area Representative Share Posted February 1, 2012 Aha, will there be a surplus of cheap unwanted Stunners out there now... I could be after a decent couple of sets for road use if anyone is thinking of letting them go to fund A539's or these Maxxis ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Bowler Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Maxi tyres... here I'm not convinced Jon will gain an advantage with those, but then List 1As are all pretty rubbish. (and I'm still in shock after googling for images of stunner+rubber, again) Anyone got any unloved 13x6 wheels for sale? AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magister Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I think I might need some new rubber for the new season . So, what are the relative merits of A539 vs. Maxxis? Would the differences be as pronounced on a Class 1 car? PaulB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Howard Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Nick I may be wanting to get rid of a decent set of Stunners. This all a bit of a shock to me. Most of us in classes 1 and 2 were using stunners and we are now all going to have to spend several hundred pounds on wheels and/or tyres for the new season. This does not seem to be in the spirit of low cost motorsport. Anyway rant over..... This year's championship looks to the best organised ever thanks to the efforts of Simon and Mike. Our club tyre expert (AB) looks to be leaning toward A539's. Could be that the value of 13" wheels will be going in the opposite direction to Stunners. The tyre war could be interesting in all classes this year. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Ward Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Thanks Nick, I can see your strategy, but I’ve got no doubt Stunners will still command a premium. Anway, I’ll be in touch re my competition set (on anthracites), practise set (on prisoners) and spare pair (loose)... 🙆🏻 Paul, for what it’s worth I took the advice of a long standing fellow competitor who said “all 1a’s are ahem...rubbish, just get anything”. The Maxxis were on the shelf, cheap and seem to work OK. I ‘think’ the 539’s and the Maxxis are about the same, and the Stunners had the edge as they warm up quicker (but not because they are a better tyre). If I didn’t have the massive financial burden in tow, I’d try the AD08’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Nick Chan Posted February 2, 2012 Area Representative Share Posted February 2, 2012 Graham, let me know if you are going to let your set go Jon, with spare tyre stocks like that it sounds like you have brought your work home with you 😬 - although I support they would be a tad bigger than a 15" fitment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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