Graham Perry Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Julian, If you do the light blocks let me know. I would definatelty be up for some of those Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Ju, Hoopy and I have come to an arrangement about payment. I've emailed you both (Hoopy, I've sent it to the Lineone account - you'll have to tell me whether you prefer your work account by default). Thanks. Worcs L7 club joint AO.//Membership No. 4379//Azure Blue SLR No. 0077//Se7ens List Tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Julian, I think you'll find the light blocks will sell even better than the cam covers. I'd like a set as well please HOOPY Membership Number 4136 R706KGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Perry Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hoopy, exactly the originals are very heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Ju (and Hoopy) I've looked at the wet sump design, and love the breather arrangement. If the dry sump cover can be incorporated with one only breather, then I think I'll go with it. I've just emailed you for more discussion, but since then I've made my mind up... One dry sump cover in silver with one breather and a bag of bolts please. I take it this'll be £128.93 or thereabouts?? That OK Hoopy? Should be seeing Miraz in a couple of weeks to exchange his wheels for some folding. Could arrange to pay you through him or can sort out the Autosports tickets in part... let me know your thoughts. Worcs L7 club joint AO.//Membership No. 4379//Azure Blue SLR No. 0077//Se7ens List Tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Exactly. And they're disgusting. I'm just annoyed that you're going to get s/n 001 on the light blocks and I'm only 002 HOOPY Membership Number 4136 R706KGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Damn... I noticed the breather comes in two sizes. Which one do I need to allow the dry sump system to breathe? I would guess fairly small diameter for two reasons: 1. To retain a partial vacuum in the engine 2. To allow a pipe to fit over it (I'll probably connect this into the airbox). Can anyone advise regarding the breather size please? Worcs L7 club joint AO.//Membership No. 4379//Azure Blue SLR No. 0077//Se7ens List Tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Will they be the same as the normal arrangement? I'm about to order all the hoses from TA for the pace dry sump system... HOOPY Membership Number 4136 R706KGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 They are the same, except there's 2. Only one's really needed though, as all you're trying to do is allow a bit of air into the cam area. I'll take the smaller diameter breather please. I've made my mind up. Worcs L7 club joint AO.//Membership No. 4379//Azure Blue SLR No. 0077//Se7ens List Tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 I think I may have found another dry sump cam cover customer... If you want a clue then I suspect he'll want a purple one HOOPY Membership Number 4136 R706KGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Sort of a Cadbury purple? You read your emails? Worcs L7 club joint AO.//Membership No. 4379//Azure Blue SLR No. 0077//Se7ens List Tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 All this breather stuff is getting me confused - why does Nig want a different one 🤔 Nig, I've read your mail - if you want a quick response then go via my work address . It won't be a problem doing what you suggest. HOOPY Membership Number 4136 R706KGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ward Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Julian Can't get my email to work at present - thanks for the reply and I'll try and get a pic of the Apollo hole to you but I fear it will not be an electronic pic knowing my computer skills.....I'll include it with the cheque. On the issue of breathers.... I guess I only need one (the smaller one). Looking at my standard cover one of the two breathers is plugged off and the other (nearer the cockpit) runs a hose to the catch tank. Thus I guess I only need the one breather which ties in with what Nig says in his post. I hope I'm not confusing things here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Barbie Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Julian E-mail to you failed via BlatChat... I'd like to remove the timing access point from my cam cover order, can't justify the cost really. I'd also like to change to one breather only. That leaves me at one breather, red with linished fins and the bolt kit. Thanks Robert Edited by - Count on 28 Oct 2002 12:32:54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hoopy, a few points to clarify: 1. Dry sump has no breathers in use from the cam cover. The 2 that are "available" on the cam cover are blocked off. The dry sump breathes only from the "conning tower". 2. PC suggests it's worth unblocking one to help oil flow from the head to the sump. So you don't need 2 breathers as in the piccies Julian posted (nice piccies, espesh the bread bin). The piccies were to show a replica of the standard configuration of the K cam cover but Julian offers as many breathers as you want. I only want one. 3. It's probably better to retain a marginal vacuum so you don't need a big breather either. Julian's pictures show 2 different sized openings (again, replicating what the K has as standard). I'd like the smaller one. I'll connect up my breather to the airbox (so I don't need an additional filter)./ That make sense? Thanks for helping with the "other" issue. ££££££££ Worcs L7 club joint AO.//Membership No. 4379//Azure Blue SLR No. 0077//Se7ens List Tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 So for a dry sump pace setup, I probably want one small breather do I 🤔 I've given Mick some links etc so hopefully he can marry the cam cover and pace kit and TA kit together into a shopping list for me HOOPY Membership Number 4136 R706KGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Howe Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Julian, order No. 004, please add one small breather... as I also run a breather pipe to the catch tank. JH Deliveries by Saffron, the 222bhp yellow Sausage delivery machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnty Lyons Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Julian order 009 Johnty Lyons I'll go with one small breather as well may as well encourage the oil to get down to the dry sump. So that's red anodised fins polished bolt kit and a small breather. Thanks Carriage to ireland is likly to be expensive so just send mine whereever your sending V7s and Hoopey's as we will all meet in Jan. ❗ *eek* jj N.I. L7C AO. Membership No.3927. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnty Lyons Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 . *mad*WOOPS DOUBLE POST Edited by - Johnty Lyons on 28 Oct 2002 15:55:43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Had a chat with Nig and I now want a single small breather take off thingy. Can I confirm the price will be: 001D Hoopy (RED, BOLT KIT) £128.93 + £15 for breather 002D Nige V7 (BOLT KIT) £113.93 + £15 for breather Total: 143.93 128.93 ------ 272.86 HOOPY Membership Number 4136 R706KGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Thompson Posted October 28, 2002 Author Share Posted October 28, 2002 😳 Bloody hell lads! I'll need a stiff drink then and I will return to the PC to sort this little lot out 😬 Do you think I'll benefit from a breather, then, or will I end up with a lot of slime under my lid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 I'm convinced by the breather principle for the Caterham dry sump, as long as it is small. I also don't think you need a filter if you pipe it into your airbox. If you don't have an airbox then an individual filter would be nec. Not sure whether the PACE system will generate the same vacuum, but I would guess so, as the operation is similar and there shouldn't be any other breathers in that system. Sorry to add to the burden, but it's more money for your friend at the end of the day. I'm sure that'll mean more favours coming your way. Worcs L7 club joint AO.//Membership No. 4379//Azure Blue SLR No. 0077//Se7ens List Tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Thompson Posted October 28, 2002 Author Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hey - no hassle! I'm doing this as a diversion from my deadline ridden, cost concious, commercial standard, courteously behaved day job which can get a bit much sometimes as I'm sure you'll all agree. It's not the money; if I end up making enough "equity" to pay Tony for some other daft scheme it'll amount to what? A hundred quid? Dunno but certainly a nominal sum. No. If I'm totally honest it must be some kind of peverse pride based on the age old addage that copying is the sincerest form of flattery and just look at how far we've come in terms of the development of the product in just a couple of weeks using each other for ideas. It is truly astounding; people doing something they love creates results that are just unthinkable for even well paid professionals in a given time frame. Anyhow. Back to business. 1) BREATHERS. The design of the breathers isn't brilliantly clear on my pix. But, this is how it works and it is VERY clever. The cam cover has 2 standardised holes, *pretty large* drilled and tapped into the side of it. Then, the "breather" outlets are screwed into these threads; therefore changing the breather size is simply a question of replacing the screw in outlet with one with a different i/d. I suggest going for the small one initially, this way you can drill it out yourself if you need a bigger one. 2) NIGE, and the "back to airbox" issue, I thought that this was the cause of the "soggy and nasty airbox" syndrome that plagues production cars? Ie that that outlet doesn't run in vaccum all the time? Peter C also gave some excellent reasons why the outlet ought not be passed back to the catch tank like condensation/acidic issues and so surely it is unwise to put it into the filter?????????? 3) As we are talking dry sump here I presume you guy's won't need the breather channels like the wet sump one - just the actual outlets, since you won't be using a gasket anyhow. 4) ANYONE MENTIONING ALLOY LIGHT BLOCKS AT THE MOMENT WILL BE FORMALLY SHOT !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby dooby doo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 when can we mention them HOOPY Membership Number 4136 R706KGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Thompson Posted October 28, 2002 Author Share Posted October 28, 2002 000D Me (-dry sump prototype-) 000W Simon Hayward (-wet sump prototype-BOLT KIT) £153.93 001D Hoopy (RED, BOLT KIT, 1 SMALL BREATHER) £143.93 002D Nige V7 (BOLT KIT, 1 SMALL BREATHER) £128.93 003D Count (RED/SILVER, BOLT KIT, 1 SMALL BREATHER) £143.93 004D John Howe (BOLT KIT, 1 SMALL BREATHER) £128.93 005D TopHose (BOLT KIT) £113.93 006D David Ward (BLACK/SILVER, BOLT KIT, 1 SMALL BREATHER, APOLLO RETURN) £158.93 007D Clive (BOLT KIT) £113.93 008D Mark Durrant (BOLT KIT) £113.93 009D Johnty Lyons (RED/SILVER, 1 SMALL BREATHER, BOLT KIT) £143.93 010D Lawrence Hoy (RED, BOLT KIT) £128.93 011D Mark Boardman (BLACK/SILVER, BOLT KIT, TIMING ACCESS, 1 SMALL BREATHER) £203.93 I THINK this is it? PLEASE, PLEASE, check this list carefully again. I've spoken to Tony today and agreed a format. He's going to do the first batch of 5 once we have 5 cheques. The next ones will be done once the next batch of 5 cheques is in. And so on. . . . . . Now, one more thing I don't think you need me for. When the cover is fitted the spark plug lead shafts are not sealed from water, which could allow any ingress dripping down from the bonnet louvres to end up in yer plug holes with the enevitable loss of several cylinders! All you need is 4 nice "O" rings which just clip in between the head and the thoughtfully sized holes in the cam cover. These seal the plug shafts in properly. Don't forget them, now lads! If anyone wants the exact size of "0" ring then I'll check tomorrow and post it up sometime later this week...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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