duh Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I know there has been some coverage on sequentials,but looking to know if anyone is using an Elite box,just for racing and most importantly how reliable is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyracer Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Simon rogers uses one and I am about to take possession of an Elite with semi helical gears for road/track use, everything I have heard/read leads me to believe that the box is extremeley good, i beliebe they used to have some issues but all are resolved and the box is alot lighter/cheaper than the quaife unit, the only real downside that I can see is that the 6 speed version means having a separate lever for reverse as opposed to having it on the gearstick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanns Per Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 which Elite gearbox type would it be? How is driving with a sequential gearbox when blatting? thks Hanns Per Hanns Per KOBER blatting the alps in a CSR 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duh Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 IL200-5,i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanns Per Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 here is the link elite gearbox for a Caterham it looks very nice However I did not fin up to what engine power it can be used, any idea? Hanns Per KOBER blatting the alps in a CSR 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duh Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 200-210LB TORQUE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyracer Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 IL200-6 is the one i'm getting with semi helical gears, not sure how it drives on the road....will soon find out but i plan to do 40% road 60% track so one will always be a bit of a compromise, i know it'll be noisier but hey that's part of the fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duh Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 What is involved in the fitting,Elite have suggested modifications are required.I have a 2001 r400 with a duratec conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyracer Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 As far as I know only the prop needs modifying, they are supplying an adapter for the K series bellhousing so should be that simple, will soon find out and will let you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k80rum Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 You'll need a longer prop.. one that's flanged rather than splined at the box end. Darren E K80 RUM Website and Emerald maps library Home of the long-term, supercharged Duratec project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendennis Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I've got a prop spare from an Elite installation, might be ok for you but depends on the length you need. I've also got the ILS200 6 speed in my SLR, the mounting will require some bespoke innovation. If you go for the 6 speeder, reverse is activated via an external cable mechanism which is located on the left hand side of the maincase. This is not a problem, but needs consideration during installation time I use the box for racing and to date has been brilliant. However, I think they would be too agricultural for the road. I do not refer to the noise from the dog gears, but to the shock of the gear change. You must use a centre sprung clutch and allow the gearbox to twist with the engine. I.E. Mount it on a correctly specified compression rubber bobbin Oh, lastly remove the breather and fit a catch arrangement, the breather is directly above the shaft and tends to discharge under excitement Want to rent an 18th century Farmhouse in Rural Somerset? Edited by - Pendennis on 28 Apr 2009 22:33:27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Biddle Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 The other ones to consider are Derenth, and the new one from Sadev. I am going to fit a Sadev SCL82-17 myself shortly, (anyone want my Quaife) it is a direct replacement for the type 9, same mountings, same prop connection, and has drop gear facility. options include display, flat **** output, and oil pump for crazy guys like me who want to stuff ridiculous quantities of power and RPM through it. Max engine torque rating is 260 lbs ft If anyone wants the details please mail me and I'll send a word doc. It's not on their website yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Taffy you may also consider a lighter smaller flywheel, clutch pack, crank front pulley and ecu remap to enable the engine revs to drop quickly enough for the gearbox to be able to shift quickley ? here is my Duratec R .... C7 TOP Taffia joint AO with Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 and install a shield near to your thigh in the transmission tunnel incase the shock of the gearchange breaks the prop flanges ☹️ (serious point and not scare mongering .....) here is my Duratec R .... C7 TOP Taffia joint AO with Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duh Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 Mike have you got details and an e mail address.Other than that it would appear depending on the box nothing straightforward on fitting a sequential and maybe even the chance of sustaining a serious injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendennis Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Dave, the flange won't break 😬 Or have I missed something Want to rent an 18th century Farmhouse in Rural Somerset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Gibb Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 ujs L7 FUN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k80rum Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 There's a vertical plate available through CC parts now, with a couple of holes punched in it, one of which the nose of the prop passes through. You rivet this plate into the tunnel just ahead of the handbrake. It covers the nose of the prop, just behind the gearbox-end UJ. It's standard fitment to all sequential-spec'd factory cars now I believe. Darren E K80 RUM Website and Emerald maps library Home of the long-term, supercharged Duratec project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendennis Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 You do not need any of that if you spec the prop correctly. Gearbox end can have a 400bhp UJ on it, however the diff end is a different kettle. Want to rent an 18th century Farmhouse in Rural Somerset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k80rum Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Agreed. The UJs on the older props were a bit dubious I think, when it came to coping with the combination of shock loads from high output engines in conjunction with grippy tyres. If a new prop is being spec'd for the task in hand, you could argue there's less of a case for it.. How's your new engine sounding now it's been fired up Ian?? Can't wait to try mine! Darren E K80 RUM Website and Emerald maps library Home of the long-term, supercharged Duratec project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendennis Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 A crock of ****e despite my efforts, RR tomorrow lets see what they can do to ye olde map. Clearly there are some significant differences here I shall take some photo's of Bernie Ecklerollingstones F1 exhaust system, so you can see what half a months wages get's yer Want to rent an 18th century Farmhouse in Rural Somerset? Edited by - Pendennis on 30 Apr 2009 21:51:46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiF Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Contact details for Sadev are on my web site for contacts on lu07tus.com If you are concerned about props going and the damage they can do then go carbon prop. The 500bhp engined 7's are not having a problem with sequentials. If they were to go at the UJ the prop would disintergrate and should not tear the car and your body to bits Well I hope that will be the case We have spec'ed up carbon props for drag racing cars and there is never a problem or concern. It should be noted the carbon prop should never get really hot. RiF Building a real super SUPER 7 with a V6 😬 😬 😬.For Build Pictures and LOTS of Carbon or try CA07BON for Henrietta's 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Biddle Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 duh, I would have blatmailed you with my mail address, but it's not working at the moment. RIF, I will also be fitting a carbon prop, the existing one is bigger/beefier than standard and was fitted at the rebuild to handle the higher output from the RST, but it weighs a ton, and now that Russell has the carbon ones available might as well change it with the box. Edited by - Mike Biddle on 1 May 2009 16:41:54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k80rum Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I justified one of Richard's gorgeous CTG propshafts on the basis that I was investing in something a bit beefier and with better UJs, that *if* the worst happened, was more likely to disintegrate. They're nicely made and Richard even sells an under-shield for it, to protect it from FOD. Ian: Would love to see some pics of the 'zorst installed. Best of luck for today - let me know how you got on if you get a chance Darren E K80 RUM Website and Emerald maps library Home of the long-term, supercharged Duratec project Edited by - k80rum on 1 May 2009 16:50:14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Biddle Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 duh, you now have mail. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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