Alan Bowler Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Any news on the roll cages for class 3 and above issue? Any other changes likely? Thanks AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Yes a fine for anyone in class 3 driving a blue car that is beaten by T Calvert 😳 😬 Class records are to be used to decide the overall champion so make sure you keep your foot in at Paddock bend at Curborough . A few reminders If you have an FIA bar please fit the petty strut and make sure the top of your helmet is 50mm below a line drawn from the top of the bar to the top of the engine. Please make sure you have a head rest that is close to the back of your helmet when sat in your normal driving position. If you car was manufactured after 1 Jan 2000 you must have a catalytic converter fitted Nomex gloves are recommended for 2009 and will become mandatory in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Bowler Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 You wouldn't let it lie. Will respray car horrid yellowy/orange to avoid fine. I assume my anonymous suggestion for further improving the championships "green" credentials, by banning obsolete polluting technology (i.e. Xflows) from class 3 got lost in the system somewhere. Is the roll cage requirement *likely* for 2010? If so, I'll make the move to class 2 now. AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Alan YHM Mark D Comp Sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Happy Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Ban X-flows? what ever next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Rogers Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Minimum height/weight for drivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Happy Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 no yellowish sevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 i think it is putrid purples and greens that are the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comp Sec Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 At least you could learn the correct names of the colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 you mean it wasn't putrid green/purple 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Perry Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 😳 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team Mcalvert Posted December 5, 2008 Leadership Team Share Posted December 5, 2008 Who needs more than 8 valves anyway 🤔 Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Michael I think 8 valves is too many for you given your Golden Trowel exploits this year 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Molloy Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Who is policing the "date of manufacture" for the L7C championship? Will they be going on VIN number? Having to fit a cat on my car is just bollox, so I am looking for a bit of pragmatic rule bending... No doubt the other BEC boys are in a similar situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Mike All cars will be subject to scruitineering at each event and you will have to convince the MSA scruitineer on the date of manufacture. The club also has an Eligibility Steward who will rule on any such issues. The regs have been published by the MSA and as such we have to comply. Mark D Comp Sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Molloy Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I think a certain Mr Chapman had something to say on the subject: "Rules are for the interpretation of wise men and the obedience of fools." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 my bec has cat and MOT so no worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Mike I think a certain Mr Chapman had something to say on the subject: "Rules are for the interpretation of wise men and the obedience of fools." He may have done but I think in this case the MSA regulation is quite clear and I do not see where there is room for interpretation. I recommend that if you believe your car is exempt you email your reasons why and I will take it up with our eligibility scruitineer prior to the start of the season as I would not wish to see you excluded from any event and forfeit an entry fee etc. I also wish to avoid any protests from other competitors. Mark D Comp Sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Mark, do you think that the scrutineers are likely to accept the Heritage certificates mentioned in November Low Flying as evidence of date of manufacture? My car left Caterham in kit form late '99 and was registered early 2000. The chassis number suggests '99 manufacture but don't fancy convincing a scrutineer of this in a windy paddock somewhere! Cheers Greg Edited by - Greg P on 10 Dec 2008 17:17:47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Greg, YHM re cats ASBO orange 1.6 VX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Thanks very much Matthew thats great See you next year. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardO Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 the MSA regulation is quite clear and I do not see where there is room for interpretation. Ah, but there is room for interpretation. In fact the rule as written may not be enforceable. The problem from a competitors point of view is that any objection would have to go to the national court to be resolved as CoC /stewards do not have the power to overrule a scrutineer on a technical matter. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Richard Posts like that are not helpful and if competitors resort to this sort of practice in the clubs championship I will be extremely disappointed. Mark D Comp Sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardO Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Er, no, it's badly written regs that are unhelpful (both to officials and competitors). The MSA were warned that the originally proposed reg had problems; they fixed most of them, but not all. I'd also be disappointed if anyone used the loophole in the club championship - the spirit of the rule is pretty clear and that's generally how our championship runs. But I'm a CoC at race events as well as being an L7C competitor, and I'm fully expecting to see appeals made as a result of the MSA's dodgy drafting. It's a competitor's right to run according to the letter of the law rather than the spirit. Some folk take ti a lot more seriously than us. But it's not fair on the other competitors and puts the officials on a spot for no good reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Molloy Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Can someone post the exact wording of the regulation please? For a kit car how is the "date of manufacture" defined? E.g. is it the date when the chassis was welded to gether? The day it was all bolted together? SVA date? Reg date? Probably academic as I can't afford a grand plus for a complete new exhaust (and maybe engine management to allow closed loop lambda operation) so that's me out. Shame really, as I don't regard a rule that excludes a perfectly kosher, road-legal car to be in the "spirit" of clubman motorsport! 😔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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