7 wonders of the world Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Just taken a look at these and although they look great just wondering if they meet the current legal requirements 🤔 My understanding (and I stand to be corrected) is that the only coloured bulb that is road legal in Europe is Amber and that red light for stop and tail must be made with a clear bulb and a filter? Therefore using these might be an oppertunity for the insurance people to wriggle free in the event of someone 🙆🏻ending you........... Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DohNut Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 If EU regs specified this then Mazeratti and Jaguar etc with LED lights would be illegal as they produce unfiltered red light. Anyway a red filament bulb is a white bulb with the filter painted on the bulb. But as with anything EU I expect someone to point to an expensive peice of legislation that defies common sense disproving this. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 Understand what your saying regarding LED's however we're talking old fashioned bulbs here which when coated don't show a true red, more of a pink - certainly at 21W - I think that's the issue - hence the reason for a coloured filter over a clear bulb. Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 Link FYI here: http://www.abcdesignltd.com/FAQ.asp#195 Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggy Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Have just fitted a set of these clear rear lights (and carbon blocks!) from Seven Tweeks, I have to agree, the brake/tail lights have taken on a decidedly pink hue to them now. What about LED bulbs? Anyone know if they shine a deeper red? I am aware that this does not negate the blessed EU rules but if the bulbs took on a more vivid red colour then would that not make it more likely the plod would turn a blind eye? I know, I know but we can all live in hope! Foggy the Silver Seven !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanAm Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Can't get into the 7 Tweeks site at the moment but IIRC they do say the rear-lights are not suitable for road use. Alan Teenage dreams, so hard to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 When I checked and when a freind bought some it mentioned show use against the rear fog clear lens but there was nothing against the rear lens set 🤔 Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 Foggy, If your talking about the LED clusters direct replacement for bulbs, another caution as although many places sell these they will undoubtadly say in small print for 'off road use only' as these fail to meet BS. Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggy Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Fair point. I'm currently waiting for a return call from these people below. I will post their reply to our questions. here Foggy the Silver Seven !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindsseventweeks Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I was made aware of this issue a few days ago, and have been working hard to both clarify the situation and provide a solution. Hopefully, this post will go some way to do both. 1. The red bulb is in fact illegal (not the clear rear lens case which meets legislation and is E marked). I was unaware of this when I first started selling the lights with the bulb included, and will rectify the description on my website. Having spoken to a great many SVA centres and MOT centres, the whole subject is very grey and seems in many cases a pass or fail is at the discretion of the tester depending on their opinion. Therefore some will pass and some will fail but I agree that this will be an issue with both insurance companies and the law! 2. LED bulbs (apart from the fact that they face the wrong way in the light cluster) are also illegal. Large car manufacturers such as BMW get away with their units because the bulbs are not changeable and instead are sold as a complete unit which must be replaced in its entirety when the bulb fails. 3. I am awaiting more information but am fairly confident that I have found a legal replacement for this bulb which will have an E mark and will fit the clear rear light case. It is silver but shines red (not pink!) and therefore is lawful. I will confirm this as soon as I possibly can, both here and on my website. When I have clarified the situation with the new bulbs, I will contact everyone who has already purchased the lights. My apologies for the situation, I'm doing my best to get it sorted. Linds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Big for taking the time to post here and clarify the situation. www.mycaterham.com here Videos here 102,000 miles car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggy Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Second that, many thanks for not developing sloping shoulders and taking an interest. Restores your faith in suppliers somewhat. Foggy the Silver Seven !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stone Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Thanks for that info Linds. I been having a look around for a replacement bulb myself but no luck. Look forward to hearing from you when you get your new silver style one. Mean while i've got my 7 MOT tomorrow 😔at H Engineering at Tunbridge Wells. Gona see what happens but am taking the old rear lights i case. Will let you know here. 😬 Gary R66 GMS 'Flying Very Low'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindsseventweeks Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I have sent a pair of rear light lens covers away where they can be tested to see which bulb suitable to the Caterham bulb holder will provide the shade and brightness required. This may take a number of days but I will come back with something definitive! Hopefully this will provide a solution that will satisfy both insurance companies and the law. My aim is to gain written confirmation that the lens cover and bulb offer the correct illumination within the legal measured guidelines. Cheers, Linds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Linds Thanks for the update and keeping us posted Mark D Comp Sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stone Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Hi. Well my Superlight R went thru ok once the cat was upto temp. The guys at H Engineering were great. Nothing was mentioned about the rear lights, only the illegal number plate. 😔 Gary R66 GMS 'Flying Very Low'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Howe Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 JH Deliveries by Saffron, the yellow 230bhp Sausage delivery machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindsseventweeks Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Just a quick line to let you know I haven't forgotton, and am still on the case. The bulbs are being looked at now and I should have a definitive response early next week/late this week. Sorry for the delay. Cheers, Linds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggy Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Update very much appreciated, thanks. Foggy the Silver Seven !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin b Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Linds Any news 🤔 Ta Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindsseventweeks Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 As with all these things, what seemed like a fairly simple enquiry has turned into a bit of a minefield. I originally set out to find an E marked bulb that emitted the right light and was road legal. I am still trying to do this, and have been led to believe by the various bulb manufacturers that I have talked to that this will eventually be available. Unfortunately, it’s just not available now. Yesterday, two types of bulb arrived at my door which may or may not provide an interim solution to those of you who have concerns about the current bulb. One is a red bulb which is the same as I already supply, but which does have an E mark. However, this is essentially a white bulb which was given an E mark, and then afterwards, given a red lacquer for the after-sales market by the manufacturer. The second is an LED bulb which emits a red light at 360 degrees. This looks great behind the lens, gives a good red colour and under braking emits a clear strong red. In my opinion, the red light that this bulb gives can easily compare with any road car light and is the bulb that I will be using. (It looks spot-on). However, these two bulbs will fall into the category of ‘after-market accessories’ and as such will be used at the drivers discretion in the same way as other after-market products of this type. This is the best I can do for the moment, and I will be individually contacting those of you who have purchased the clear rear lights. I will be updating my website and making these two bulbs available for sale to those who would like them. This should be updated by the end of next week. Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Linds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Well, the first feedback is for communicating and keeping people in the loop! YouHaveMail also.... www.mycaterham.com here Videos here 102,000 miles car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggy Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Hi Linds, As one of your customers I just wanted to say thanks for the update! Foggy the Silver Seven !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Linds Many thanks for the update and I will be happy to use the red LED bulb Mark D Comp Sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millsn Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 let me know price and availability and i might just pop round again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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