CAB Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Hello I need to take the engine/box out of my 7 to change the clutch release bearing. I had thought about fitting a dry sump system to the car at some point. Now that the engine is coming out it might be a good time to do it even though it is a bit earlier than planned. Can anyone give me a rough idea of the cost of the Caterham system that can be used with the existing Apollo tank? I understand that the PACE system might be cheaper and better. Is it possible to use the PACE system with the Caterham bell-housing tank? Any advice would be very welcome, as well as a set of instructions if anyone has a set knocking about. Cheers CAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 The complete system with bell tank is about £1700. You can do it with the separate tank that fits at the end of the footwell for about £1100. Pace item runs out at about the same as the cheaper Caterham option. I don't know any more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Pace *thumbup* Why use the bell tank when you could you Pace's easy clean tank at the end of a short passenger footwell 🤔 - fits a treat ........and save some dosh too Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Payne Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 The caterham system using a Pace tank in the footwell works well and doesn't require the engine out to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 As far as I understand it the easy clean tank also works as an anti cavitation tank. I chose the Caterham setup - without integral bellhousing tank. /regin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWoodham Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 the Pace system uses the same pump for pressure and (twin) scavenge ie the original oil pump is bypassed. This means that in the event of toothed belt failure (it's driven off a modified front pulley) you lose all oil pressure instantly, so you will need to protect the belt/ install a low-pressure warning and react to it instantly/ do both of the above. The Caterham system uses a single scavenge pump, driven with a grooved belt off the front pulley (with tensioner etc) and uses the original pressure pump for, er, pressure. This means that in the case of belt failure, you only lose oil pressure once all the oil in the DS tank has been pumped. With a sensor on the belt you'd have several seconds to react. Without a sensor you're in the same position as the Pace system. There are allegedly advantages to running twin scavenge, notably creating vacuum in the crankcase assuming you seal the breathers, however there are those who think this is a bad idea. They'll be along in a minute no doubt! You'll find advocates of both systems on here, you pays yer money etc etc PS why would you want/ need to use the apollo with a DS? Martin Aero'd supersported ex-Roadsports B...anyone got a cheap LSD/ 6 speed box? Edited by - mwoodham on 19 Sep 2007 15:53:57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englishmaninwales Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 PS why would you want/ need to use the apollo with a DS? Some argue that the oil capacity of the CC system with belltank is low, and that the ability of the CC tower on the belltank to de-aerate the oil is limited. So having the apollo as well addresses both. I'm not sure if this is all true or just speculation. Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Day Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 This means that in the case of belt failure, you only lose oil pressure once all the oil in the DS tank has been pumped.And once all the oil has been pumped into the engine the resulting hydraulic lock may bend/break other components. Edited by - Mick Day on 19 Sep 2007 18:01:09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrolhead Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 With a sensor on the belt Can you get such a thing and if so where from? R5 no 65 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 V7SLR was fitted with a standard microswitch that was activated if the tensioner was released ie if the belt had snapped. Nigel kindly emailed me the images, I'll see if I can get his permission to put them on a web server. /regin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrolhead Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Please R5 no 65 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted September 21, 2007 Leadership Team Share Posted September 21, 2007 Near the bottom of the page here This was the install Nig did. Stu. www.superse7ens.co.uk..........the rebuild 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrolhead Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Cheers for that. Did Nige make the bracket specially for the job? R5 no 65 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWoodham Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 ref my earlier post, Porsche fitted a fan belt failure switch to 993 (& some 964) models, a little wheel that runs on the belt itself. Sounded dodgy to me too, if anyone other than Porsche designed it I wouldn't suggest it. you can buy them here part no 993.106.035.00, £42.24 inc vat. I should say that I've not used this myself (since my DS system is still sitting on the bench waiting for a few final problems to be solved, like engine mount fouling the pump outlets...!) but I'll be fitting one in due course. from here Martin Aero'd supersported ex-Roadsports B...anyone got a cheap LSD/ 6 speed box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 355GTS may have something to say/ask about this in an hour or so - he is on his way back from Hullavington where it seems his dry sump pump seized, which caused the belt to come off. First he knew was when the low oil pressure light came on, and he instantly stopped - hopefully the engine is ok..... www.mycaterham.com here Videos here 101,000 miles car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Hmmm Peter T's pump seized too - no damage. Hope Marks engine has survived. Has it a Titan pump like the K-series? Nigel allowed me to publish his picture, but it seems that I've been beaten to it. /r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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