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So having done Goodwood today the car is suffering from a severe case of body roll

 

to see a pic http://www.esses.co.uk/

 

Spec is 1.6K widetrack,adjustable platforms, road springs on front (I'm told) with 1/2 inch? anti roll bar and uprated springs (allegedly!) on rear with AR bar set on stiffest setting. think the dampers are original Bilstiens

 

Ride height needs to be dropped by at least 25mm but what to do with the springs/dampers, I'm happy to go for new ones

 

95% track use 5% road use on AO32R's S and SS or ACB10's (maybe slicks in the future when I buy a dry sump and another 60 or so horses)

 

WHAT WOULD YOU BUY/DO TO SORT THE PROBLEM?

 

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

Edited by - F355GTS on 30 Mar 2002 23:10:47

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That is quite a roll on!

 

I have the sports pack springs from Caterham for the Wide track.

Been on since new never felt the need to change them.

 

I have an 18mm ARB on the front and the green bushes.

What do you have?

 

Sports progressive springs on the rear and I run the rear ARB

on the 2nd from the front position.

 

Mine doesn't roll that much. It is compliant and forgiving.

Good in the dry and wet IMHO.

 

Some will say that the first thing you want to do for track use is junk the prog springs.... For pure circuit only use that is probable true but as a compromise I find them fine.

 

Stiffening things up may make it roll less but there is a limit to these things. It depends how you like your car to handle.

ARB's are "Nasty coarse undamped springs" Colin Chapman.

"But I for one do not like my sports car to roll much" Senior

engineer at Caterham.

 

What is your rear ARB thickness? Not sure if Caterham do different thickness ones...

 

I know some K series can have very thin front ARB's, check this first.

I have a homemade cornerweight/flatfloor facility and suspension geo checking kit I use on my car and friends cars.

 

Edited by - stevefoster on 31 Mar 2002 09:20:17

 

Edited by - stevefoster on 31 Mar 2002 09:20:45

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Looks like you were having fun.....

 

There's a useful faq on suspension here - click here - there is some information to help you work out your current setup.

 

My car was supplied with the standard 150lb fronts and progressive rears (110-130-200) which I found too soft for road use - the ground clearance had to be set very high to avoid bottoming the car out on the road.

 

I'm now running with 200lb fronts and the stiffer progressive rears (138-200-246) which has made a vast improvement, but still leaves the car very driveable on rough roads.

 

I've left the dampers and arb's untouched for the moment (1/2" front, underslung rear on stiffest setting) - I don't think there are any alternative arb's available for the SV yet.

 

In your case if you are going to be spending a lot of time on the track then I'd try the SLR setup, which (I think) is 250lb front/215lb rear and possibly a 5/8" front arb.

 

Doubtless the next opinion given will be totally different...

 

Miraz

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thanks Guys

 

Steve

Front anti roll bar is 1/2" in orange bushes

 

 

Miraz

That link is excellent, it's given me loads of useful info, excuse my ignorance (I'm proably going to get shot for this) Who's Steve Lambert?

 

Mark

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Mark,

 

We should have swapped notes yesterday!

 

I'm running 250 lb springs on the front and 300 on the back with a widetrack. The theory is that a stiffer back end will give more grip to the front and help reduce understeer. I'm too naive to say if this is true but it seems to work considering our cars comparative lack of power.

 

Also using the 5/8th front anti roll bar.

 

Nick

 

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Right first thing is to whack on a stiffer ARB front.

Springs are next stop. At least sports ones stiffer as suggested if you are really keen.

Very stiff won't work so well in the wet. I would not personally use stiffer rear than front.

 

Do one mod at a time to allow you to evaluate.

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This looks a bit weird. To get that much roll you must have been cornering quite fast. You dont appear to be understeering or out of line with oversteer, assuming you were on approximately the right line, looks like the cicane leading onto the start/finish straight. I would get the ride height sorted and then see how things pan out. I'm dubious about stiffer rear springs with standard fronts, sounds like a recipe for oversteer (which is not obvious in this photo). I remember the late departed Powder Puff had a similar photo in Low Flying a while back, perhaps he'll come out of retirements with the solution.
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just changed the set-up of my superlight

set up for ACB10

green front ARB

220(?) front springs

200 rear (linear not progressive)

lower location for rear radius arm

flat floored

set up by Sebah in Nottingham

 

certainly alot stiffer on the road

still awaiting the first trackday!

 

 

 

 

the not so light Superlight

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Carburet

 

I was getting a little understeer on the way in but not much (nowhere near as much as at brands two weeks ago) changing pressures helped that, I could provoke a little oversteer on the way out of the chicane but again not much.

 

If you rock the car at rest it is definately very soft, we compared it to another and the difference was amazing.

 

Mark

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Pinky..., 300 on the back???? Running over a 50p must give a bigger jolt than your worst ever landding....!!!

 

Without divulging my own setup which shall remain secret until May 19th I suggest the way to combat body roll is to use around 150 - 200 lb springs on the rear and 250 - 350 lbs on the front, reducing front ratings by approx 30lbs if you do not have a wide track front.

 

On the rear, the lower value improves traction and stability on bumpier surfaces as well as giving more "feel". The harder setting will on a smooth track give the faster time, but the car will be twitchier.

 

Rear ARB 3/8 hard or 5/8 soft.

 

I can also make some recomendations about ARB's, but not where P. Carmicheal esq can take my findings and build a computer model of the chassis dynamics.

 

Of course the above could alll be cobblers just to put PC off my scent. You'll have to ask me to find out!

 

 

 

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So it looks like I'm going with the following

 

Reduce ride height by 25mm

250lb fronts Linear

215lb rears Linear

upgrade the front and rear anti roll bars to 5/8"s

 

but which dampers would be best (with adjustable platforms)?

 

Mark

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Have you got an over or underslung ARB at the rear? The underslung are only available in 1/2in.

 

The 215lb/in is almost certainly too high for the rear. I would maybe go with the Caterham 21 progressives.

 

There are two issues with front end grip: 1. Amount of weight transfer; 2. Keeping the wheels flat.

 

It can be the case that a thicker ARB on the front gives more grip at the front (the de Dion stays flat in roll anyway). Gordon Cardew improved his car to class winning spec from a very similar starting point to yours, just by swapping to an 18mm front ARB. Try it for the 35 quid it costs.

 

There is nothing badly wrong with the standard Bilsteins. They are certainly better than the *race* Bilsteins which are valved inappropriately.

 

Arnie,

 

I don't seem to remember having any problems achieving a chassis setup.

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Peter

 

It's over, least I think it is, ie it's above the rear axle

 

Grip wasn't an issue at Goodwood, the car was extremely well balanced, very slight understeer on turn in to the chicane and the second part of St Mary's but not worth worrying about, Mild oversteer on exit of chicane but only if provoked

 

All I really need to do is get rid of the body roll!

 

 

Mark

 

Edited by - F355GTS on 2 Apr 2002 14:58:24

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