Peter T Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 After a couple of hectic days and nights (thanks Regin, Mark) i finally got round to firing up my new engine. 😬 All was fine after the coolant issues (thanks redline) coming to my aid, i was ready for my rolling road visit. Fired up engine and it went well for about 3 minutes at 4000rpm, until the oil pressure suddenly began to drop!!!!! At 30psi i swithched it off, as there was smoke coming from the scavenge pump, while running i did hear a slight crack, and this is when the oil pressure started to go down. Any way it now transpried that the scavenge pump has lunched itself Internal damage due to swarf is not known yet. Bummer. R500 Mango Madness Edited by - Peter T on 3 Mar 2007 19:52:57 Edited by - Peter T on 6 Mar 2007 22:13:52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilyhands Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Bimey Peter, is there any indication of what has caused the pump to go tits up? Predictable damage might be to the internal pressure pump but the filter should take out anything further downstream. Oily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Not yet Dave, i did not touch it after removal from the engine? Removal tonight might give some indication whay or what snapped. R500 Mango Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Bad luck Peter and let me know if I can help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug phillips Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 🙆🏻, if you need a hand on Saturday Peter let me know . You dont have much luck do you . Joint Surrey AR and Su77on Se7ener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Oh bu$$er! Hopefully nothing has happened... /regin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 no worries ....... Edited by - Dave Jackson on 3 Mar 2007 20:00:06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinwhitcher Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Bloody hell Peter, and i thought I never had any luck 😳. I'm sure it will all be worth it in the end Martin MW 51 CAT Superlight No.171 now known as:Superlight DVA 250 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 3, 2007 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dave i will call you after i have taken my kids swimming. R500 Mango Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Sorry to hear this. Good luck and fingers crossed that there is no other damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 3, 2007 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 After stripping the scavenge pump it transpires that the front bearing has siezed and overheated which caused the oil lip to melt and partly sieze the pump. Whilst the bearing siezed it allowed the front pulley to come into contact with the fron casing which also resulted in the pulley being thrown further down the shaft and contacting alloy to alloy.Both rotors are fine but the pump is scrap!! No metal paticles have been detected in the oil so far, so i have been lucky. R500 Mango Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unclefester Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 OMIGAWD! Which was this, Caterham/Titan pump or Pace? Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds..ooooh hooo hooo!!... 😬 😬Abbey Road Time-Machine *eek* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Peter, I'm so pleased to hear this!!!! *biggrin* /regin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilyhands Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 What b*stard luck Peter, but at least it didnt happen in the heat of use... Oily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Yes Dave better it happened whilst under no load and fairly soon. This is the Titan gold pump. R500 Mango Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Walker Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Peter, Before you spend £400 on a replacement, send the pump back to Titan, they will replace the damaged parts and overhaul the pump. I have used their overhaul service and its very good. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Thanks Rob, but skimping on a re-furbed pump after the total engine rebuild is not something i wish to do.It is a shame that the old pump only lasted 6000mls. Do they really cost that? R500 Mango Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal mickey Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 A refurbed pump 'Should' be as good as new - any parts beyond tolerance should be replaced and only reuseable parts carried over hence the financial saving. That said the last pump I had refurbed was absolute rubbish. Adjusting the pressure valve made no difference because the reused spring was u.s and the 'professionals' also managed to completely omit to fit the spigot oil seal behind the pulley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Walker Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Peter, If Titan refurb the pump it will be as new. You never know your luck they may repair it FOC if they think it was a manufacturing fault that caused the failure. I sent one of my pumps back for repair and it was returned as new FOC. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Flatters Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Pete, only just caught up on this - sorry to hear about your troubles - luck seems to have deserted you again ☹️ ☹️. Say the word if you need any help mate. *arrowright*Harry Flatters *arrowright* AKA Steve Mell - Surrey AO and Su77on Se7ener Edited by - Harry Flatters on 4 Mar 2007 22:26:33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I can second Titan refurbishments quality. I sent my 30000mile purple pump for a precautionary rebuild with my new engine. They changed the rotor & seals for £90 & threw in postage for free, returned within the week. The pumps are very expensive, if the wheel and case are OK, Id suggest Titan rebuild it for much less cost than a replacement unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Whoa how much for a new pump... Sits down after phoning caterham parts department!! 😳 R500 Mango Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilyhands Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 My guess.. £600 Oily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 £400 + vodka R500 Mango Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 New pump fitted and she sounds sweet. It has now been tested for oil and water leaks and nothing to report. Even though the TPS is not set and the mapping is a little out it really is smooth. Ready for the rolling road for Steve Greenald to run it in and map it. R500 Mango Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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