tgracing Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 I am planning on fitting plastic bolts to attach the rear wings on my car. Does anyone know size they need to be and where I can get them ? TIA Davebo C7 CAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S33VEN Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 RS Components do a wide selection of plastic bolts. Email me if you are not familiar with them as a company! Good luck Tony Stattersfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2D2 Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 When I looked at the catalogue prices for small quantities I tried to find another supplier. Nylon and Alloys were very helpful and their prices for any reasonable quantity are a fraction of RS or other Motorsport suppliers. Typical price for aluminium bolts M5 16mm long is about £10 per hundred with nylocs costing £12.50 per hundred and washers £1.50 per hundred. They will supply smaller quantities but the minimum order is £15.00. You can find them at: http://www.nylonalloys.co.uk/ I think the rear wings are fitted with M5 bolts about 12mm long. I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sture Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 I got mine from Classic Carriage - from memory (not necessarily reliable) Derek charged me a fiver plus VAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewartG Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 I assume the need for plastic bolts is brought on by damage to the rear wing causing extensive and costly damage to the alloy that it's fixed to. Do plastic bolts snap, as we hope, or is the alloy still full of holes too big to hold the rivlok nuts. Any experiences all you wing bashers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 They snap without damaging the skin - so I'm reliably informed by one who has bashed. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 Was that me then Mike? wink.gif OK, I think you'll find they are M6 by about 20mm or 25mm. Mine were 20mm and plenty long enough. Some people say, slice through half the bolt to aid its shearing. Others say only fit half of the total. I fitted all, and didn't slice them at all, and they sheared right off protecting the alloy panel of my car..... ..... on the passenger side..... ... however, as I actually came at the tyres backwards at rather an acute angle to the driver's side, at 110mph (last time I looked), my alloy panel never stood a chance. Bugger..! sad.gif The only advice I have is to fit 2 nuts onto the bolts where the bolts poke through the bodywork (i.e. where there's no rivnut). You can tighten them up more as there's more thread working for you. Also use a large washer on the inside of the alloy panel (inside the boot) which will help to stop the panel distorting... spreads the "pull" as it were.... The same washers that you are supposed to fit on the wing-side. In fact, fit one there too, and you'll protect both the alloy panel and the wing, so the bolt is the only thing that has to give. Wanna see piccies of the result post-accident? Email me and I'll send them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 Actually no, it wasn't you Nig, but now you come to mention it they did work for you too... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 6, 2000 Share Posted July 6, 2000 So how are they fitted? I've had a quick squiz at mine and it looks as though I'd have to remove the interior ally panelling to get at the nuts of three of the bolts. There are ten bolts holding on each wing - seems a lot to me! Would number plate bolts suffice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgracing Posted July 6, 2000 Author Share Posted July 6, 2000 I think number plate bolts are about right. Tim, How many did you get off Derek for a fiver ? I would like enough to do both wings and enough spares to do at least one wing (not that I'm pessimistic or anything). Davebo C7 CAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted July 7, 2000 Share Posted July 7, 2000 Nick - you don't have to remove any panelling, the bottom/rearmost 3 are accessed using the up-and-under technique. Number plate bolts will do fine although that's a rather expensive way to do it. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles E-H Posted July 7, 2000 Share Posted July 7, 2000 I got mine from Apex Fasteners in the industrial estate in Slough. They also do mail order. 01753 528639. BTW, a great place to sort out any nut-and-bolt issues. Regards Charles Eaton-Hennah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 7, 2000 Share Posted July 7, 2000 Mike - there are 3 bolts 'below' the radius arm (on bottom setting) and 4 at the rear end of the car that I can access from the boot and with the up-and-under technique. There are 3 between which don't seem to be accessible without removing the interior panelling, though I'll have another look. I'm afraid I have a business meeting coming up and am all poshed up so I can't crawl around under the car at the moment! BTW, I thought no. plate bolts would be the simplest and cheapest - apparently not so I'll have a look round the local fastener suppliers. Thanks to all for the various contacts, which I'll try if the locals come up blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bees Posted July 7, 2000 Share Posted July 7, 2000 You shouldn't have to get behind any panelling. Some of the bolts are into rivnuts and so don't have nuts on the back. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sture Posted July 7, 2000 Share Posted July 7, 2000 Dave I got enough to do both my rear wings with a few left over. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 7, 2000 Share Posted July 7, 2000 Mike - Ahhh, so that's what a rivnut is! blush.gif Business done, so time to get dirty! Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 7, 2000 Share Posted July 7, 2000 The locals were hopeless so I've just ordered various bits from Apex who are mailing them to me tonight. The bill was 5.17 UKP for: M5 x 20 mm hex head 20 off 40 nuts to suit (Nigel's tip) 40 ally washers, 18 mm diameter (Nigel's tip) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted July 7, 2000 Share Posted July 7, 2000 Blimey, you wanna be careful about taking my advice... You never know where it'll lead... wink.gif Anyway, having had my placky bolts given to me, and having used them all up during a crash, I am keen to get some more. Is it right what people are saying, that number plate bolts are the correct thread then? They look too big for me. ...and another thing about number plate bolts. They are made from quite hard and durable plastic. The bolts I used were very soft and sheared easily (in a rather expensive practical experiment). I have concerns that number plate bolts may not shear as easily and wonder if those people who offered the tip of slicing through half of the bolt were referring these..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgracing Posted July 18, 2000 Author Share Posted July 18, 2000 Thanks to all for the replies so far. It looks like there is some debate over whether th ebolts are M5 or M6 and whether number plate bolts are suitable. I was about to order a shedload from Vehicle Wiring Products, but if someone could give a definitive answer that would save me some time. I have a test tomorrow (which I'll have to risk) and a hillclimb in 10 days. Oooer. Davebo C7 CAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 18, 2000 Share Posted July 18, 2000 The bolts on my 98 1.6k, built by Classic Carriage, are M5, 20 mm. I tried number-plate bolts but they were too big (M6?) for the rivnuts, but would do for the nut and bolted ones - if you see what I mean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewartG Posted July 25, 2000 Share Posted July 25, 2000 Just got 50 plastic bolts,nuts and washers from Nylon and Alloys for four pounds no probs they're on 020 8579 5166 SPEAK TO ANDREW Edited by - STEWARTG on 25 Jul 2000 15:22:45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgracing Posted July 25, 2000 Author Share Posted July 25, 2000 I just tried them and they were selling them in batches of 100 and they had a minimum order of £15.00 Bah! Anyone got a number for Apex ? (Why don't I look back at the thread, eh ? - Apex, 01753 528639.) Davebo C7 CAR Edited by - davebo on 25 Jul 2000 14:13:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgracing Posted August 1, 2000 Author Share Posted August 1, 2000 Just a quickie. Apex sent the bolts, good as gold. M5 is definitely the right size. Use 2 nuts on the back, where nuts are needed. They work a treat! (See my website www.tgracing.btinternet.co.uk for details of the exhaustive test I did at Wiscombe Park Hillclimb smile.gif). Davebo C7 CAR Edited by - davebo on 1 Aug 2000 08:18:55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JampJ Posted August 2, 2000 Share Posted August 2, 2000 just thought i'd mention that the bolt sizes are 5mm x20mm,not 6mm as someone has already quoted,see section 9 page 9 of the build manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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