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Crankshaft pulley fell off today


Griff

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Here's the result from my bolt torque programme except I only have data for ISO M14 x 2.0 - 6G threads (not the 1.5 thread mentioned above). I also have various values for friction but assumed self colour, unlubricated.

 

According to this the max torque should be 159Nm. By my reckoning you'd need a lower torque than this with a finer thread pitch (smaller thread gradient) to achieve the same bolt tension but maybe the extra surface area cancels this out? Even so, mentions of 205Nm (about 150 lbf-ft) from the Rover manual confuse the issue even more. I'm not too happy running such a crucial bolt at close to 90% of yield when there are so many other vibration and fatigue issues, not to mention big +/- tolerances on most torque wrenches.

 

By the way, oiling threads reduces required torque to 152Nm - not that significant

And double checked the conversion of units too - it's 1.0 Nm = 0.737561 lbf-ft.

 

M14 x 2.0 - 6g

ISO 898 Part 1 Grade 10.9

0.2% Yield stress = 900.0 N/mm²

 

Bolt Dia = 14.0 mm

Bolt head A/F dim = 22.0 mm

Thread Pitch = 2.00 mm

Thread pitch dia = 12.7 mm

Inc thread angle = 60.00 deg

Effective dia = 12.50 mm

Minor dia = 11.20 mm

Clearance Hole Dia = 16.0 mm

Effective bolt head dia taken as 19.0 mm

 

BOLT

Black oxide steel nut or bolt

Self finished steel face

Coefficient of friction no lubrication = 0.10 to 0.18

THREAD

Black oxide finish steel bolt

Self finish steel internal thread

Coefficient of friction no lubrication = 0.12 to 0.15

 

TORQUE (lower values of coefficients of friction)

Thread friction + Tightening torque = 88.1 N-m

Bolt head friction torque = 69.4 N-m

TORQUE (higher values of coefficients of friction)

Thread friction + Tightening torque = 71.8 N-m

Bolt head friction torque = 85.8 N-m

 

STRESSES

Max induced tensile stress = 662 N/mm²

Max tensile stress / Yield stress = 73.5 %

Max induced torsional stress = 270 N/mm²

Max combined stress / Yield stress = 90.0 %

Min induced tensile stress = 455 N/mm²

Min tensile stress / Yield stress = 50.5 %

Min induced torsional stress = 219 N/mm²

Min combined stress / Yield stress = 65.8 %

 

 

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Griff - excuse my ignorance but a translation is required please *confused*

 

Build manual states 205Nm. I'd be very wary of torquing to any less with the number that have undone! I admit I also use Loctite, and have always been satisfied that it's there to stay.

 

Stu.

 

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Griff - it's your computer calculation that's giving a torque of 166Nm, and it's your pulley that fell off 😳.

Think I'd maybe go with the build manual figure of 205Nm then!

Before you say it, no, I'm not trying to stir up a heated debate, it's just an observation!

 

Stu.

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It's the "bl**dy engineers who keep your planes in the air Neil 🙆🏻 😬 Hope you're still around after the 26th?

 

Stu - I never checked this bolt in the couple of months I've had the car, but I'm not happy with 205Nm when this seems beyond the capacity of the bolt and more than other respected builders seem to be using. BTW the new bolt supplied by CC doesn't have a proper load marking on the top so I'm not confident it's a 10.9 grade. Anyhow, some time off tomorrow to have a fiddle so fingers crossed nothing worse happened making all this discussion academic.

 

Cheers!

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a cautionary tale in terms of other damage...the reason the bolt came out the front of my r500 engine was that the flywheel fretted its bolts away, became loose and the vibration er vibrated the bolt out the front! The engine was toast at this point.

 

It sounds to be pretty unlikely to apply to yours, but forewarned...

 

Graham

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