Cornelius Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 What starter motor is used with a Zetec engine? the standard 2.0 l one will not fit. Cheers, Cornelius Should have said, it has a raceline sump and light weight flywheel. Edited by - Cornelius on 9 Sep 2006 13:08:22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 You need to speak to Steve Motts (Se7enup) for a definitive answer to this question. 😬 Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevSull Too Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Oh! Bloody hell, what a question!! STEVE, OH STEVE.... 😬 😬 😬 😬You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're all the same. 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millsn Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Marked on my 2.0 litre zetec starter motor: Magneti Marelli R27016 Type M79 (0.9) Hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeK Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 I recently bought a Brise axial motor for my Zetec. The following is an extract from an email exchange with Brise: "your starter motor must have come from a crossflow engine fitted with a Pinto ring gear. Crossflows had an inertia starter with a 9 tooth /29mm dia. pinion, the Pinto engine had a pre-engaged starter with a 10 tooth /25.4 mm dia. pinion. Our 'Axial' starter part no. 892910AX will be a direct fit replacement and should give you improved hot performance." The starter motor that was replaced was marked Lucas 25331D 8M90. MikeK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Well......... 😬 There is a company who manufactures starter motors for most of the major "race" starter motor suppliers. They in conjunction with Raceline (and me!) are working on a solution for the Zetec hot start problem (when using the standard Crossflow starter and a lightweight Raceline flywheel) The standard Ford starter is just about OK but as soon as the CR is raised or the engine is hot it starts to struggle. The solution is to fit a geared starter. However the major suppliers have so far been unable to find an "of the shelf" solution. As a result of this, a newly designed geared starter is currently being test fitted to a Zetec block. If all goes well, it should be available for sale in a few weeks.(famous last words) As soon as I know there is a proved solution available - don't worry - I will be telling everybody 😬 😬 😬 The next best thing to a geared starter is to have Brise rewind the standard starter to run at 9V. This gives it an extra kick and goes some way to curing the problem. However, its expensive, has no warranty as its "modified" and I know of someone with one of the Brise rewinds who is still experiencing starting problems. As soon as there is any news on the new geared starter, I will post the details here! Steve SE7EN-UP! Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Forgot to add ....AFAIK the starter problem is only an issue if you have a Raceling flywheel and a Raceline sump. This is due to the way the sump is profiled around the starter. there's no room to fit a longer bodied starter. As far as I know, this is not so much of an issue with the "cut-n-shut" sumps as there is more clearance. Steve SE7EN-UP! Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeK Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Steve- Didn't know that. You've described a problem I had- 1.8 Zetec, skimmed head, Dunnel cut/shut sump, raceline lightweight flywheel and hot starting problems with the old "crossflow" starter motor. As stated, I've now fitted the Brise 'Axial' starter part no. 892910AX. Quite a nice bit of kit. When its hot, I can the feel that the starter motor struggles very momentarily to get turning, but it always has done so far (thank goodness as it was flipping expensive!). MikeK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOATBUOY Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 I've no starter problems but Dunnell sump and flywheel. starter was from dunnell too, all works fine hot or cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 The Brise starters are nice but won't fit if the car has a Raceline cast sump. The new starter is rumoured to be around £150 BOATBUOY, I'm guessing your starter will be a standard Mondeo version. I'd also guess you have a lightened mondeo flywheel. The Raceline flywheel is a steel one and is designed to make use of the Crossflow starter (its fitted with a crossflow ring gear which is located in the same position (in relation to the bellhouing) as it would be on the Crossflow. This is a neat solution as most people upgrade from a Crossflow to a Zetec. Unfortunately, as you start to tune the engine, the Crossflow starter just becomes a little under powered. Steve SE7EN-UP! Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Formston Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Hi Cornelius, I got my starter from a local Tiger dealer who fits Zetecs in Tigers and its been great, he gets then made special and they retail at £75 give him a ring its Chester Sports Cars 01244 545161 Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philwaters Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 My rewound starter is fine when hot if I open the throttle slightly to allow it to pull some air in rather than suck against the amost closed butterfly's. Am awaiting Steve's progress though Phil Waters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Just wanted to add an update to this thread. My new geared Zetec starter has been in the car for a few weeks now. In that time its not missed a beat *thumbup* Even with a partialy flat battery (alternator problem) and a very hot engine, it still turns the engine over with ease. The gearing means that the motor is not stressed too, which is IMHO a nicer solution to the rewound 9V crossflow jobbies. Even after plolonged cranking, the starter is cool to the touch. I'm really impressed with the build quality of the unit. It comes with new bolts and is a doddle to install (10 mins max - then again I've had quite a bit of practice when it comes to fitting starters ) Raceline are producing two versions: One to fit the Zetec with a Raceline (Crossflow ring gear) flywheel. One to fit the Zetec with a standard (or lightened) Zetec flywheel. The units are now available from Raceline - call Pete or Chris for prices and availability. Steve SE7EN-UP! Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 As an aside to this, I was talking to the owner of my old Zetec car the other week and the rewound (by Brise) 9v starter motor I had fitted at around 7k miles drew its terminal breath at around 14k so if that is typical, then these aren't a long term solution unlike the one Steve now has from Raceline which does a proper job. Sorry Phil. ☹️ Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Edited by - Brent Chiswick on 28 Nov 2006 08:03:09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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