Steve-B Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 i'm on the end of useful life for my current 21rs. the fronts have lasted for 14.5K miles, 3 sets of rears in the same time 😳 around 200bhp VHPD, SV, used for commuting, some track days, general blatting on backroads. whatever i purchase, i would prefer to NOT have to replace them before taking car to USA next year. i don't mind replacing the rears, but would prefer to not have to buy 4 news ones. in addition, should i move UP from 21r to something a bit more sticky, will i need to consider flat flooring our car 🤔 so what are your observed mileage estimates for: 21R 48R 32R goodyear eagle F1 DS-2(or 3) in folks' experience. Steve B Big Black Beast^3 Lighten up everybody....NOW USA 2005: How the West Was Driven Edited by - Steve-B on 4 Jul 2004 10:16:39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wag Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Michelin Pilups. You will never wear them out. Edited by - wag on 4 Jul 2004 11:04:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted July 4, 2004 Author Share Posted July 4, 2004 Bzzzt, wrong answer wag ❗ performance tyre, not undertaker's tyre.... Steve B Big Black Beast^3 Lighten up everybody....NOW USA 2005: How the West Was Driven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgrigsby Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 It's going to depend entirely on use, I've had a set of 032r's last 4K miles on the rear and a bit longer on the front but I wouldn't expect to get much more out of them. 021r's definetly last longer but aren't as much fun. No idea on 048r's and I'm pretty sure you can't get the Goodyear Eagle F1's in anything smaller than a 15" wheel so they probably aren't worth thinking about. As an aside I run them on my 406 tintop and a set lasted around 20K miles with a 200bhp V6!! so I reckon they are a bit to hard for a seven. Cheers Rob G www.SpeedySeven.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 I've got Avon ZZ1's on my SV and after 5000 hard miles, they look like they've just come out of the packet. You could lose your fingers in the tread depth. Chris 2003 1.8K SV 140hp see it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wag Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Get performance tyres and drive like an undertaker. Ive just got 14000 miles out of 6 32Rs. Mind you, Alan Clark tells a story of not being able to catch a Daimler Hearse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Steve I don`t think 48`s or 32`s are going to last in USA....or at least it will be marginal. I`m prbably going to fit 21`s for the USA tour to ensure I get the mileage without having to change en route. The others may not last very long given the combination of hot weather, spirited driving and high mileage. Even if you fit 48`s at the start of the tour they could well be bald by the end I`ve fitted Goodyear Eagle DS2`s to the Volvo and they are great, particularly in standing water, but on a lightweight se7en they would be too hard. Rob I`m amazed you get 20,000 out of them, my Volvo eats them like they are going out of fashion......my local tyre dealer know`s me by name now What about CR500`s......what kind of mileage can be expected from them? New duratec powered build underway *New website soon* I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgrigsby Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 The last set of Goodyears lasted nearer 30K miles!! not quite sure how but a lot of it was motorway miles which I guess helps. I also rotate them around the car.. CR500's hmm well Geoff used to get 7-9K out of set of his but I only saw 4k on the Targe Liege trip out of mine, having said that I have got knackered suspension and an enthusiastic driving style 😬 I'm running a set at the moment in SLR sizes and they seem to be lasting pretty well so that's what I'll be using on the USA trip. Rob G www.SpeedySeven.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil.cavanagh Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 steve, Iin 9K of roads and 3 track days I've pretty much lunched a set of avon ZZ1s. Basically the track days kill them. I reckon that with no track days they would last 15K or so. I've now done about 2K miles on the 13" 032r's I have. The wet angelsey track day didn't wear them at all. One track day at Elvington has lunched both rears and the front left. The road miles in between again seem to be insignificant compared to the track miles. Saying that 032s for USA '05 probably wouldn't last. Espcecially in those hot empty Texan parking lots that just shout our 'donut me, donut me...' Or was that just me in the rental Chevy Silverado?? I would guess Cr500s would last, and 021s would be ok. But I don't have personal experience of those. On the Eagle F1 front, I've got about 15k out of the set on my BMW 540i. Once again, the track day I did in it did the real damage, taking probably about 5K off the rears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil.cavanagh Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 ps... get her flat floored... Steve Fostser did mine for me in 2 hours on a sunday morning. He lives just down the road from where I used to live in West End. If you speak nicely to him he might fit you in one evening after work. A donation to NTL is all he askes.. and the results are certainly worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted July 4, 2004 Author Share Posted July 4, 2004 cheers neil, had already planned NtL donation for contacting Steve....just got to pick right tyres...Rob, i can understand the cr500's, but the price is kind of off-putting. are they really THAT good 🤔... Steve B Big Black Beast^3 Lighten up everybody....NOW USA 2005: How the West Was Driven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTD Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Hi Steve They seem to last a good few races - Super and Mega Grads use CR500's and they are limited to 3 sets a season for racing. I don't do a full season and get by on one set. Mind you, you could nearly get 8 Yoko 32's for the price of 4 CR500's! G 4 Geoff Leather Good - Carbon Fibre Bad 619 GTD here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Steve, my usage is similar to yours (my commute is the opposite way ). I highly recommend CR500's. I've just finished the rears of my first set of CR500's, and they've done just over 8k miles (still plenty of tread left on the fronts). Compare that to the 3k I got from 32's and 6k I got from 21's. They are almost as grippy as 32's; better than 21's. And the car feels great on them. I've already bought the replacements (CR500's again) and will get them fitted this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Gurr Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I got 3.5k out of the rear set of 32R's and that was all road driving (no track days), but did involve some holiganism (spelling?). The fronts lasted better probably about 5k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaseb Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Steve, have you got 13"'s or 15"'s?! Just thinking that 13" CR500's on my regular 7 look diddy (not in a bad way) but on an SV they might look a bit silly?!Having done a few laps at Oulton starting on 32r's and then swapping to CR500's I can honestly say I was well impressed with the CR500's but wouldn't want to do much more than a 20 minute session as they felt like they were getting a bit warm and melting. My 32r's have lasted pretty well though with half a dozen track days and 5000 miles (rotated), still got a trackday or two left in them. Flat flooring seems to help the wear characteristics too. If you're commuting and drive a reasonable amount in the proper wet I would look elsewhere though. If they're 15"'s my prisoner wheels have Yoko AVS for the off season and have been used on track and they seem to be lasting well, just a thought PS I've only ever heard good things about 48's - mail Shaun E, Peter Griffiths or even better Angus who does loads of miles on his Edited by - JaseB on 6 Jul 2004 08:13:26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted July 6, 2004 Author Share Posted July 6, 2004 i'm currently on 185 X 60 X 14 21s so i can buy two sets of 48s for 1 set of CR500s. i can not afford to buy two sets of tyres before the end of 2005. i do about 6,000 miles a year, and will do 3,400 for USA 2005. so my condundrum is simple, i want something that will take me to the end of good weather this year. i might be able to stretch for 2 sets of 48s which would make the above mileage, but it appears that CR500s won't make that. discuss Steve B Big Black Beast^3 Lighten up everybody....NOW USA 2005: How the West Was Driven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Team Shaun_E Posted July 6, 2004 Support Team Share Posted July 6, 2004 Steve - I'm pretty sure that CR500s don't come in 14". A048Rs are available in 14" (Peter has that size). I am very happy with the 48s but haven't had them long enough to comment on wear rates. Perhaps you ought to put some wider tyres on the rear of your car - most SLRs/R400s run with 205 rears. As you know I used to run 21s and they seemed to last about 5k miles and 3 trackdays - any dry track day would finish them off though. Shaun Yellow SL #32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodoo Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 For those coming to the USA next year be aware that there are very few 13" tire options available for a 7 in the USA. Not many cars use 13" tires here and those that do are not performance oriented vehicles. Some examples: Avon ACB 10 & CR 500 may be available by mail order only, forget about other Avon tires; AO32 if you are very lucky in a store(buy a lottery ticket that day if you actually find the right size in a store); AO48 not available; Michelin no; Goodyear NO; Dunlop NO; Pirelli NO; Bridgestone NO; etc. Advise that you bring spares and be sure that if you are bringing a spare front, some other car is bringing a spare rear tire so that both cars are covered a bit better. You might also contact a mail order house like Tire Rack in advance and see if they are willing to help. As they sponsor SCCA events across the USA they may be willing to give you some help if you wear their decals---don't know for sure on that, but it's probably worth a try. 7 owners do buy tires from them and the pub wolud only help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 yankee, YHM Steve B Big Black Beast^3 Lighten up everybody....NOW USA 2005: How the West Was Driven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Woods Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I have 186/70x12 A021's on my car. I do a mixture of cruising around and blatting, but no trackdays, and after my crash a couple of years ago i'm not the most committed corner-taker . I replaced the rears after about 7,000miles and when I checked them last night (after another 500 miles) the fronts still have just under 5mm left on them, so I reckon I'll get a similar figure to you from them Nick Red and Black 1.6K supersport visit Carrotland.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-B Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 i've got that sinking feeling i'm back to 21s again.... ☹️ i want to have more fun, but am unsure if i can afford all the tyres for 1 more year. 21s seem sensible, but will be checking finances for ACB compatability 😳 Steve B Big Black Beast^3 Lighten up everybody....NOW USA 2005: How the West Was Driven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Steve I have had 48s now for some 8-9 months and have doneabout 2000 miles on them, for me they are only now starting to really come in to their own (not that they weren't great before)but now they are really really grippy. I clearly don't push the car as hard as others on this forum, but I do my best however I expect my 48s to last quite a while yet. Hope this helps, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oi oi Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 hi steve - the mileage on USA is about 3000 isnt it? plus a couple of trackdays? I would feel quite happy about taking a new A048r on that trip. I got my first set of A048r in January and I went through a set of rears in about 5000 miles, that included some track work. The fronts are still okay and should do about 7000-8000 miles total. this is the softer of the two compounds. a couple of things - I am attempting (not very succesfully) to change my driving style so that I am less sideways, and also not working them too hard when they are cold as i find them very easy to spin up when they are cold which cannot be good for the wear rate. the other thing i have done is go from a 185 to a 205 in the hope of a bit more lengevity (215bhp Vx) when they are new they are great in the wet. when for a wet blat with a mate and his comment was "fsck me I cannot believe the speed you were doing with those tyres". when i changed them they were virtually slick and not so good. all in a good choice, but i havent had "sticky" rubber on my car before so difficult to make ultimate grip comparisons. Oi Oi (aka Mike Ketley) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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