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BDR Dellorto DHLA 45C Main Jet 180 Air correction 150 - for high performance use, not round town or cruising


anthonym

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(this was a techtalk question but I transferred it here n the absence of anyone seeming to know anything about this ancient 1980s tech.

My BDR Twin Dellorto DHLA 45C has Main Jet 180 Air correction 150, 38mm choke,  looks to me (much googling and looking at examples) like this is intended for high airflow and fuel delivery at higher engine speeds.

So to compare to Cosworth's "standard for 170BHP " (issue 2 page 6)

Cosworth               Mine

38         Choke            38

140.       Main Jet.    180

160  Air Correction  150 

So that looks like mine is intended to be intended for wide open throttle / max revs more often than not.

All the examples I see in Des Hamill's book are smaller, but intended to allow round town and general road use i.e. f which I am not looking for.lexibility

ok, so this is jetted for WOT use at the expense of round town and m.p.g. I wonder of my builder was intending to do hill climbs - that would be nice because it's similar to what I like doing. suits me for what you might call Alpine hill climbing for hours on end.

Altitude (O2 density / colder): At lower altitude, more O2 = leaner mixture.  At higher altitude, less O2, = richer mixture. Setting is good for  +/- 500 metres (total 1,000), so temporarily +/- say 1,000 (total 2,000).

So 1,350 (home) setting is good for 1,850 (2,350 temp i.e. 2,000 metres is ok) or 850 (350 temp i.e. 500 metres is ok).

Temperature also impacts air density, it gets 1c cooler for each 100 metres of altitude so one can feel it getting colder. This is working to compensate for the O2 loss and vice versa it gets hotter as one descends, again countering the altitude drop. I suppose this might suggest seasonal tuning changes. 

While one can use all the tuning kit (Colortune, Carbtune Pro, Syncronometer) it may work just to adjust the adjustment screws by set amounts per (say) 500 metres. For example (a quarter turn). N.B.

The syncronometer check should in any case be routine.

Lower Altitudes (e.g. UK) 7484 Main Jet 170 & 175      7485 air corrector jet size 160 & 170
OriginalLy set in and  for the UK: Actuals are Main 180 & Air Correction 150
Higher Altitudes (e.g.CH) 7484 Main Jet 185 & 190.     7485 air corrector jet size 130 & 140

Starter Jets - not crucial, but if use is longer term:
3315 starter jet size 55 Actual is 58 3315 starter jet size 60

Emulsion tubes:
If I was making significant changes to the carburettor setup, such as switching from a very high-performance setup to a much milder one (or vice versa), or if I  was tuning for very extreme (is that tautology?) altitudes (like Peru etc), I would consider the emulsion tubes. But for fine-tuning for different altitudes I don't think they are relevant because they relate to overall fuel delivery characteristics and are selected based on the engine's specific needs and how it breathes.I suppsoe hving complete sets available would make it easier/faster to change over.

To explain the above a bit more here is a picture of the three components that make up the one item involvced when changing the Main Jet IF (big if) the three components are already prepared, the trouble with this is it requires SIXTEEN identical emulsion tubes pre-prepared with all the above tops (air correctors) and bottoms (Main Jets) (costs £240 before carriage). 

IMG_2722-Main-Emulsion-Holder.webp

So I would need in addition to the ones I have already in use a further sixteen of the 7772.5 emulsion tubes in to which to screw all the variations above, so then it would be trivial to remove 4 and insert 4 of each.

I suppose easy enough to retune at the roadside or easier at the overnight stopover.

Edited by anthonym

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Anthony,
 
All info below is on the assumption that you have a standard specification 170bhp BDR.
 
Firstly, the chokes are simply too big. We used to run 48DCOEs with 42mm chokes on both the works Escorts (2Litre BDG) and 48DHLAs with 42mm chokes on the Dealer Team Vauxhall Chevettes (2.3Litre HS engine), but both of these produced around 250bhp. Assuming that you have a 170bhp BDR you will in reality be seeing more like 160bhp unless it has been built to higher than standard specification. 36mm chokes are normally perfectly adequate and the story goes that Cosworth only specified 38mm because they used a surplus batch of carbs that were originally intended for a different project (can't verify this, but I've heard it from more than one source).
 
You fit a larger choke size in order to make sure that the airflow is not being restricted at large power outputs. Once they are large enough to allow maximum power to be generated, anything larger will gain no power and simply lose low rev flexibility. Generally, Webers and Dellortos need similar jetting and choking with regard to the main jets and air jets for any given engine. The emulsion tubes play a large part in keeping the air/fuel ratio correct as the revs rise and the throttle position varies but the two makes use completely different type designations for these so there is no direct way to cross reference. You might find for instance that you have a flat spot caused by a weak mixture at low/medium revs on wide open throttle even though it is correct at higher revs; this will probably be fixed by changing the emulsion tube. The best advice I can give on Dellorto emulsion tubes is to try what you currently have and then change them if necessary. This, and the other jetting should be done on a rolling road with a competent operator to ensure correct air/fuel ratio at all times.
 
Despite the fact that I used to build the Chevette engines in the 1980s they were all to the same specification so I never got to actually do any research with differing jet settings; therefore my knowledge is limited here. I assume that the Des Hamill book you refer to is this  carb_book.pdf (foxed.ca) which is much better than many. I have attached a list of jets I would use in a standard 170bhp BDR running with 45DCOE Webers. This should be a reasonable guide to some of the jetting for DHLAs, but must still be checked out on a rolling road.
 
To be honest, assuming you set the engine up at sea level, it will simply get a bit richer at higher altitude. If this doesn't affect the running it probably will do no harm unless it is for prolonged periods which will theoretically allow the excess fuel to dilute the oil and increase bore wear. If you live at high altitude, the jetting should be set up at this altitude but will need slightly larger fuel jetting if you come down to sea level in order to avoid possible detonation damage. If high altitude affects the idle, you can adjust the mixture screws to suit, but note that this will only adjust the fuel/air ratio at very low revs and throttle openings.
 
Please note that it is essential to have any changes tested by a competent rolling road operator to ensure they are correct.
 
Regarding "very extreme" being a tautology, you can have varying degree of extreme so it seems to me that qualifying it with an adjective is acceptable, unlike my personal pet hate of "very unique" which is just plain wrong.
 
 
Hope this helps,
 
Roger King
 
rkingeng@aol.com
 
07790 824470
 
 
 

BDR std 1700ccm optimised .xls

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